When is the rapture?

[Moby]

1 hour ago, Last Daze said:

Bias toward a preference.

I agree as many who think they hold the truth though it does not agree with the sum of Father's truth will be made evident in the days and years ahead that their words were not justified by the Word of God:

Romans 3:4  God forbid: yea, let God be found true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy words, And mightest prevail when thou comest into judgment.

 

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

If it's really that simple, why are there so many bright scholars and godly men with different interpretations?

Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Ephesians 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.


Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.


2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

2 Thessalonians 2:9  whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2 Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

The mystery of iniquity doeth already work.  



 

[Moby]

5 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Ephesians 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.


Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.


2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

2 Thessalonians 2:9  whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2 Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

The mystery of iniquity doeth already work.  



 

Amen sis! Rob has a very good teaching on this mystery of lawlessness:

https://sumofthyword.com/2017/01/18/the-mystery-of-lawlessness/

[DeighAnn]

On 8/25/2020 at 9:58 AM, The Light said:

When the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.

Who was the Word of God given to?  

Then The Word walked among us and Salvation was open to all, whomsoever would.  

When The Word has been published in every language, then all gentiles, or the fullness of the gentiles has come in.  

NO where does it state that once the Word has been made available to all, that THEY go anywhere or that God does anything with them as a group.  

Unless I have missed those verses.  Have I?  IS IT WRITTEN?  OR is it mans assumption?  

PLEASE, PUT IT TO REST,

WHERE IS IT WRITTEN? 

WHERE DOES GOD SAY "THE FULLNESS OF THE GENTILES"   MEANS I WILL TAKE THEM FROM THE EARTH

What SUBJECT is being discussed when "fulness of the gentiles" comes about?  Is it the return of Christ?  Is it an EVENT to take place being spoken of?  Let's see.

Romans 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

Romans 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

Romans 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

Romans 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Romans 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

Romans 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Romans 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Romans 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

Romans 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

Romans 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

 

The ONLY THING connected with 

the fullness, is the blindness.  

HOW DOES ONE MAKE THE LEAP FROM THAT TO "PRE TRIB RAP"?

 

[DeighAnn]

Gods Wrath fall upon them. 

Not us.

To ESCAPE GODS WRATH,   

BECOME ONE OF US.  

Nothing more need be said or done.  

AND IT ISN'T

[DeighAnn]

What keeps you from being tempted?

Knowledge

 knowing an earthquake has just loosened a huge rock overlooking a 1000 foot drop, takes all temptation away from going out on that rock.  

How are you KEPT from being tempted by Satan AKA the hour of temptation??

Knowledge AKA GOSPEL ARMOR.  

Don't need to go anywhere.  You know who the beast is representing and what it is truly going on and because you know that very soon Christ will return, when the end is come, you aren't at all tempted to worship him or let go of your eternal salvation. 

Hence Kept from, not taken away from.  

[Spock]

On 8/22/2020 at 7:37 AM, Moby said:

Good morning Brethren!

Brother "Alive" sent me over here to ask this question I posted in "Worthy Welcome".

I have been looking for a good explanation on the timing of the rapture as there seems to be so much dissension out there among the brethren as to whether it happens before 7 years of tribulation, 3.5 years into the tribulation, or after the tribulation.

I am so tired of opening link after link where the teachers give nothing more than their opinions on when this event happens with the same verses that really have nothing to do with the timing of the rapture before, during, or after the tribulation.

When I searched for "the rapture is after the tribulation" this link came up on the first page:

https://sumofthyword.com/2016/10/04/the-rapture-of-the-church-is-after-the-tribulation/

In all of my searches on the subject of the rapture, this is the first link that provides multitudes of scripture to prove there is another full year after the 7 years of tribulation that the author says is when the "day of the Lord" takes place.

Has anyone here ever heard of this teaching? I would have copied and pasted the contents of the link here but it is just too voluminous with scripture so could someone with a hunger of this topic take a look at it so we can discuss it as it certainly has my attention?

Greetings brother Moby,

Great thread prompt....never bored thinking about this. 
 

firstly, I don’t believe you could find in scripture a 7 year tribulation period.  All I see is 1260 days, 42 months, “time, times and a half a time”....which all equal 3.5 years. if you do find it, please show me where? 

Secondly, I don’t believe it is in the Bible that the church cannot be in Daniel’s 70th week.  I know Daniel says the 70 weeks prophecy is for Israel but it doesn’t say the church can’t also be in it for some part.  If the word does say both are mutually exclusive from each other, please show me where it says that. So, to go along with this thought, I don’t see where in the Bible it says the church can’t be here to see some covenant being confirmed, which according to Daniel begins the 70th week. (I know some believe Jesus began this 70th week by confirming the new covenant, and I respect your beliefs. That is just not mine....at this point.) 
 

thirdly, I believe the Bible does say church age believers will be kept from His wrath. So when does His wrath begin?  Again I believe the Bible is also very clear....right after the 6th seal. See Rev 6:12-17.  This tells me the church will not experience the trumpets and bowl judgments.

fourthly, so when do the trumpets begin?  I’m not sure....honestly I don’t know if they precede the abomination of desolation or are subsequent to the abomination or maybe even some are released before the abomination (1-4) and some after (5-7). For example, the first 4 trumpets could be released before the abomination since they all seem to go together, having great effect on the Earth.  The last 3 are called the 3 woes and it’s possible they could be released after the abomination of desolation.  These last 3 imo are much scarier in that they affect humans, not just the earth, sea, or rivers (although obviously this is scary too).  I think it could be possible these can play out after the abomination. 
 

fifthly, I do believe the great multitude of Rev 7:9-17 represent the raptured church, and very conveniently show up right after.....drum roll please......the 6th seal, and before......drum roll please......any trumpets are released. 
 

sixthly, I’m still researching unresolved issues I have so my study is incomplete at this time. I also seem to evolve in my thinking as I see things differently as time progresses and I study more things. What I’m saying simply is, my thinking is not etched in stone...still reading with an open mind, always watching, always reading other thoughts and weighing their words, always reading the Word by itself as well, and always hopeful that the spirit within me illuminates my thinking. 
 

so, I hope this answers your question...

spock

ps....oh, you should know this too...I also believe seals 1-5 were opened when Christ ascended to heaven and have been in play for 2000 years. Therefore, I’m thinking the 6th seal is the next event from Revelation. This is not to say some other event can’t precede it....like the Gog War from Ezekiel 38/39. 

[Dennis1209]

20 minutes ago, Spock said:

fifthly, I do believe the great multitude of Rev 7:9-17 represent the raptured church, and very conveniently show up right after

Hey Spock, how's it going?

Biblical numbers are always significant and are extremely important in the Bible. Who or what do you think the 24 Elders represent?

Edited August 30, 2020 by Dennis1209

[Spock]

1 hour ago, Dennis1209 said:

Hey Spock, how's it going?

Biblical numbers are always significant and are extremely important in the Bible. Who or what do you think the 24 Elders represent?

Good question....I have no idea. I’ve read 10 different articles or books with different theories. Honestly, none has slapped me in the face saying.... BELIEVE ME!  
 

IM listening if you want to share your thinking. Thanks.

[The Light]

On 8/28/2020 at 9:46 PM, Moby said:

What part of "election of grace" and the "ONE" olive tree is so hard to understand???

None of it. The Word speaks for itself.

I noticed that you are fearful of providing the information of who teaches the CORPORATE MANCHILD. What do you fear? Is it a cult? What are you afraid of?

I also see that you do not understand the meaning of "LIKEWISE ALSO" You might look that up in the dictionary as Jesus tells, LIKEWISE ALSO regarding His coming.

I also see that you do not understand that Jesus pinpoints the timing of a rapture and then says He will come in a time you think not.

I also see that you do not understand that we can escape ALL THESE THINGS that will come to pass.

I also see that you do not understand that Noah is on the ark 7 days before the flood.

 

On 8/28/2020 at 9:46 PM, Moby said:

 Father is not going to send His Son to gather part of His ONE olive tree before the tribulation and the rest after the tribulation because ALL the ELECT are gathered as ONE holy ELECT race, nation, and people:

Really. You seem to think you understand the Olive tree and yet don't understand the timing of part of Israel being grafted in again.

Maybe you should learn the parable of the Fig, as that is what teaches the timing of the coming harvests.

Hos 9

¹⁰ I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

What do the verses say? They say that God had planned on Israel being the first harvest of the fig tree, as He saw the fathers at the first fruits, but they served other Gods. FYI, the fig tree has two harvests. The first crop is the breba crop. The second harvest is the main harvest.

So when God saw that Israel was serving other Gods, that meant the Israel would not be the first harvest. The Gentiles then become the first harvest. It is not until the harvest of the Gentiles occurs that the blindness is removed from part of Israel. Then the twelve tribes can have their eyes opened as the blindness is removed.

On 8/28/2020 at 9:46 PM, Moby said:

 

1 Peter 2:9  But ye are an elect race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God's own possession, that ye may show forth the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

And here is that royal priesthood in heaven before the Seals are opened, which is before the tribulation.

Rev 5

⁸ And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

⁹ And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

¹⁰ And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.