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3 hours ago, luigi said:

Hi Diaste, A false prophet prophesies of great things to come. The beasts mouth in Revelation 13, and Daniel 7, speaks great things. It is therefore logical that the great words coming from the beasts mouth are those of the false prophet.

To me there are three entities in Revelation 13, the dragon, the beast, and the beasts mouth who I recognize as the false prophet in Revelation 16. While some say there is also a fourth entity, the second beast who speaks like a dragon; I understand this one who speaks like a dragon to be the dragon (Satan) within that individual. If there were not the case, then the three entities, the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet who show up at Armageddon in Revelation 16, would exclude the beasts mouth, along with the second beast who speaks like a dragon in Revelation 13

Revelation 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

The mouth who speaks blasphemously is basically a carnally minded individual who has total irreverence for things spiritual, and thus speaks of great material things to come to the carnally inclined.

 

I'm sure it's much simpler. 


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On 8/29/2021 at 11:14 AM, luigi said:

I agree with you that the second beast who speaks like a dragon is an individual who is possessed by the dragon Satan. The first beast, however, of seven heads and ten horns in Revelation 13, who is the ten headed beast in Daniel 7, is the fourth kingdom on the earth, who devours the whole earth. This beast kingdom can therefore not be a single individual. 

Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

The beasts mouth who speaks of great things to come In Revelation 13 and in Daniel 7, I also recognize as a single individual, who along with the dragon and the beast in Revelation 16, is described as the false prophet, which is yet another alias for the Antichrist.

 

It is easy to conceive and believe that God can throw two men into the lake of fire. It becomes far more difficult to see how God can throw one man and one kindgom into the lake of fire. Don't miss this: the "little horn" had a mouth and spoke, 


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10 hours ago, iamlamad said:

It is easy to conceive and believe that God can throw two men into the lake of fire. It becomes far more difficult to see how God can throw one man and one kindgom into the lake of fire. Don't miss this: the "little horn" had a mouth and spoke, 

The little horn, a.k.a., the beasts mouth who boasts of great things to come is thrown into the lake of fire along with all the other antichrist members of the beasts kingdom. The dragon and the rest of mankind who are not written in the lambs book of life wait their turn until the millennium is concluded, at which point they are then cast into the lake of fire.

This is still off topic iamlamad. The topic is to confirm whether the second beast who speaks like a dragon in Revelation 13 is the dragon? If this second beast were not the dragon, then the dragon who appears with the beast and the false prophet at Armageddon in Revelation 16, would represent another fourth entity, who is not mentioned in Revelation 16. I therefore believe the second beast who speaks like a dragon in Revelation 13 to be the dragon. I also believe the false prophet in Revelation 16 to be another description for the beasts mouth who boast of great things. If this also this were not the case, then the beasts mouth who boasts of great things would be yet another entity not mentioned in Revelation 16 at Armageddon.


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12 hours ago, luigi said:

The little horn, a.k.a., the beasts mouth who boasts of great things to come is thrown into the lake of fire along with all the other antichrist members of the beasts kingdom. The dragon and the rest of mankind who are not written in the lambs book of life wait their turn until the millennium is concluded, at which point they are then cast into the lake of fire.

This is still off topic iamlamad. The topic is to confirm whether the second beast who speaks like a dragon in Revelation 13 is the dragon? If this second beast were not the dragon, then the dragon who appears with the beast and the false prophet at Armageddon in Revelation 16, would represent another fourth entity, who is not mentioned in Revelation 16. I therefore believe the second beast who speaks like a dragon in Revelation 13 to be the dragon. I also believe the false prophet in Revelation 16 to be another description for the beasts mouth who boast of great things. If this also this were not the case, then the beasts mouth who boasts of great things would be yet another entity not mentioned in Revelation 16 at Armageddon.

There is no "fourth." And the second beast is NOT the dragon. Your arithmetic is faulty.

Chapter 13 shows us two beasts.

Chapter 16 shows us the two Beasts plus Satan.

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

This is very clear: a beginning reader could count three beings here. The "False Prophet" is the second beast. So we have the two beasts plus the dragon. That is three beings, not four.

By the way, since both beasts are "men" they both have "mouths."

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7 hours ago, iamlamad said:

There is no "fourth." And the second beast is NOT the dragon. Your arithmetic is faulty.

Chapter 13 shows us two beasts.

Chapter 16 shows us the two Beasts plus Satan.

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

This is very clear: a beginning reader could count three beings here. The "False Prophet" is the second beast. So we have the two beasts plus the dragon. That is three beings, not four.

By the way, since both beasts are "men" they both have "mouths."

In chapter 13 we see the dragon (1st entity) giving his power to the beast (2nd entity). The beast is given a mouth (3rd entity) who speaks great things, and wears out and overcomes the saints with his great words.

We then have mention of a second beast who speaks like a dragon in chapter 13. Is this a fourth entity, or is the second beast the dragon who earlier provided the beast (the second entity) his power? If the second beast who speaks like a dragon were another entity apart from the dragon who gave the beast his power, we would then have a fourth entity who does not appear at Armageddon in Revelation 16. Likewise, in Revelation 16 there is no mention to the beasts mouth in Revelation 13 whose great words wear out and overcome the saints, and thus would indicate a fifth entity who also would not appear mentioned at Armageddon. As I do not believe there are four or five entities in Revelation 13 and 16, I then believe the false prophet in Revelation 16 to be the beasts mouth whose great words, the whole world who are not written in the lambs book of life will be in adoration with according to Revelation 13:8. Likewise, I believe the 2nd beast who speaks like a dragon in Revelation 13 to be the dragon at Armageddon in Revelation 16, and thus only three entities in Revelation 13 and 16.

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.


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1 hour ago, luigi said:

In chapter 13 we see the dragon (1st entity) giving his power to the beast (2nd entity). The beast is given a mouth (3rd entity) who speaks great things, and wears out and overcomes the saints with his great words.

We then have mention of a second beast who speaks like a dragon in chapter 13. Is this a fourth entity, or is the second beast the dragon who earlier provided the beast (the second entity) his power? If the second beast who speaks like a dragon were another entity apart from the dragon who gave the beast his power, we would then have a fourth entity who does not appear at Armageddon in Revelation 16. Likewise, in Revelation 16 there is no mention to the beasts mouth in Revelation 13 whose great words wear out and overcome the saints, and thus would indicate a fifth entity who also would not appear mentioned at Armageddon. As I do not believe there are four or five entities in Revelation 13 and 16, I then believe the false prophet in Revelation 16 to be the beasts mouth whose great words, the whole world who are not written in the lambs book of life will be in adoration with according to Revelation 13:8. Likewise, I believe the 2nd beast who speaks like a dragon in Revelation 13 to be the dragon at Armageddon in Revelation 16, and thus only three entities in Revelation 13 and 16.

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

In chapter 13 we see the dragon (1st entity) giving his power to the beast (2nd entity). The beast is given a mouth (3rd entity)...

This is where you miss it. It is the Beast's mouth, not someone else's.

Dan 7:I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

 

20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

(The Beast and the Little horn are speaking of the same man. )


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12 hours ago, iamlamad said:

In chapter 13 we see the dragon (1st entity) giving his power to the beast (2nd entity). The beast is given a mouth (3rd entity)...

This is where you miss it. It is the Beast's mouth, not someone else's.

Dan 7:I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

 

20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

(The Beast and the Little horn are speaking of the same man. )

I don't know what you are saying I am missing. I am quite aware of the little horn being another description for the beasts mouth. The beasts mouth is likewise another description for the Antichrist, which is another description for the false prophet at Armageddon in Revelation 16. The final point on this topic is that there are three primary entities in Revelation 13 and 16, and not four or five entities.


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11 hours ago, luigi said:

I don't know what you are saying I am missing. I am quite aware of the little horn being another description for the beasts mouth. The beasts mouth is likewise another description for the Antichrist, which is another description for the false prophet at Armageddon in Revelation 16. The final point on this topic is that there are three primary entities in Revelation 13 and 16, and not four or five entities.

The beasts mouth is likewise another description for the Antichrist, which is another description for the false prophet at Armageddon in Revelation 16

I cannot agree with that last phrase.

There are no words anywhere in scripture where the second beast, i.e.  the False Prophet brags or says big words. Here what is written about the second beast's words:
he spake as a dragon, 
saying ... that they should make an image to the beast

I cannot agree with that last phrase. It is only the first Beast that speaks boastful words.

"there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies"

"he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven"

 

Agreed on three: Satan, the Beast and the False Prophet.

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12 hours ago, iamlamad said:

The beasts mouth is likewise another description for the Antichrist, which is another description for the false prophet at Armageddon in Revelation 16

I cannot agree with that last phrase.

There are no words anywhere in scripture where the second beast, i.e.  the False Prophet brags or says big words. Here what is written about the second beast's words:
he spake as a dragon, 
saying ... that they should make an image to the beast

I cannot agree with that last phrase. It is only the first Beast that speaks boastful words.

"there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies"

"he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven"

 

Agreed on three: Satan, the Beast and the False Prophet.

Ask yourself: What does a false prophet say? Answer: A false prophet says the things people want to hear.

The little horn/the beasts mouth who says great things, says all things are going to be great under him, by him, and through him. He is a narcissist (Daniel 8:25).

The little horn/the beasts mouth who speaks great things, meets the definition of a false prophet. 

 


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On 9/5/2021 at 7:39 AM, luigi said:

Ask yourself: What does a false prophet say? Answer: A false prophet says the things people want to hear.

The little horn/the beasts mouth who says great things, says all things are going to be great under him, by him, and through him. He is a narcissist (Daniel 8:25).

The little horn/the beasts mouth who speaks great things, meets the definition of a false prophet. 

I am not going to put words in the false prophet's mouth that the bible does not give us. God does tell us that the Little Horn and the Beast of Rev. 13 (one and the same being) speaks blasphemies and is very proud.

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