The seven angels trumpet soundings in Revelation 8, 9, & 11

[luigi]

18 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

Sorry, but you are rearranging Revelation.  This killing of 1/3 comes before the man of sin is revealed, which is before the false prophet shows up to suggest this mark. In short, your timing is mixed up.

Iamlamad, The beast who comes up from the bottomless pit is another description of the beast's ascension from the sea. The man of sin is due to the beasts system, and as such the events in Revelation 9 include those of the rampant sin that will take place under the beast's system.

[luigi]

7 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

Thanks. Now I see. That is not the meaning of this verse: they are prepared for a CERTAIN moment in time, a certain hour of a certain day of a certain month and a certain year. When that time gets here, they will do their thing. 

Revelation 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. 

If you can translate an hour and a day and a month and a year to other than what is explicitly written, then you can twist the entire Word into whatever you want. I would be very careful in twisting the Word in Revelation, as the consequences are dire.

 Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

[iamlamad]

9 minutes ago, luigi said:

Revelation 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. 

If you can translate an hour and a day and a month and a year to other than what is explicitly written, then you can twist the entire Word into whatever you want. I would be very careful in twisting the Word in Revelation, as the consequences are dire.

 Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

No one is twisting anything: it is understanding. This is something very much lacking in these threads. 

AMP

So the four angels, who had been prepared for the [appointed] hour and day and month and year, were released to kill a third of mankind.

AMPC

So the four angels who had been in readiness for that hour in the appointed day, month, and year were liberated to destroy a third of mankind.

 

Ellicott's Commentary:

The English version reads as though the hour, day, month and year were to be understood as the length of time over which this plague of war should last. This idea has been adopted by many of the historical school of interpreters, and great ingenuity has been exercised to find some period which exactly corresponds with this, and during which disastrous wars prevailed. But the expression (“made ready unto the hour,” &c.) is not to be taken to imply that such was the duration of the plague; it implies that the loosing of the angels would take place at a definite period, the year, month, day and hour of which were known;

Edited September 12, 2020 by iamlamad

[iamlamad]

20 minutes ago, luigi said:

Iamlamad, The beast who comes up from the bottomless pit is another description of the beast's ascension from the sea. The man of sin is due to the beasts system, and as such the events in Revelation 9 include those of the rampant sin that will take place under the beast's system.

No, sorry, you are trying to merge two things that are separate into one. It won't work. You mix up TIME. ONLY GOD can rearrange time!

[luigi]

26 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

No one is twisting anything: it is understanding. This is something very much lacking in these threads. 

AMP

So the four angels, who had been prepared for the [appointed] hour and day and month and year, were released to kill a third of mankind.

AMPC

So the four angels who had been in readiness for that hour in the appointed day, month, and year were liberated to destroy a third of mankind.

 

Ellicott's Commentary:

The English version reads as though the hour, day, month and year were to be understood as the length of time over which this plague of war should last. This idea has been adopted by many of the historical school of interpreters, and great ingenuity has been exercised to find some period which exactly corresponds with this, and during which disastrous wars prevailed. But the expression (“made ready unto the hour,” &c.) is not to be taken to imply that such was the duration of the plague; it implies that the loosing of the angels would take place at a definite period, the year, month, day and hour of which were known;

If you understand the purpose of angels as being that in which they illumine mankind, either with truth from God, or deceit from Satan; the hour, day, month, and year in which they are loosed is understood the amount of time in which they influence the world's leaders to utilize their combined armed forces and initiate genocide. And when you look at the fact that 1/3 of the earth's environmental resources will have been destroyed previously, it is then easy to put one and one together and see what the influence Satan's four deceiving angels illumine the world's leaders with, to make remaining resources, especially food suffice for the 2/3 of the world's populace that remain.

[luigi]

25 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

No, sorry, you are trying to merge two things that are separate into one. It won't work. You mix up TIME. ONLY GOD can rearrange time!

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

[Revelation Man]

On 9/9/2020 at 9:52 AM, luigi said:

Hi Revelation Man,

When the Lord sends his angel to the Assyrian Army's camp, 185,00 of them are killed in one night. 200 million angels would therefore not be needed to wipe out 1/3 of the human populace over the course of 13 months and 25 hours. As such, the four angels who are bound and then released, being Satan's angel's, go and influence the world's leaders to initiate a global genocide using their combined military forces, totally 200 million personnel. The reason for this action is that as the world will be experiencing great environmental chaos with food resources severely strained (Revelation 8), the world's leaders will then determine (through the false illumination from Satan's angels-2 Corinthians 11:14) that a global genocide will resolve much of the issues burdening the planet. 

What's NEEDED or NOT NEEDED is not relevant to how many are there. The Logic fails, you only need one man to be the hangman and pull all the traps too hang dozen men, you can have many men there watching. It took Micheal 21 days to overcome the resistance of a Demonic Force, so in reality, you have no idea what it takes to overcome Demonic Resistance, the Bible says it took Micheal 21 days to overcome the dark demon prince of Persia (Apollyon I assume). 

The Assyrian  is a name for the MAN....Not the Army, the army is from the E.U. (I miss nothing) Now that that's settled.

The Angels are BOUND to an appointed time, a day, an hour, a month and a year. Not to a river per se. They have an appointment in the REGION with a MOMENT in time, a DAY.........AND HOUR.......etc. etc. It couldn't be any clearer.

You, like others always miss the KEY POINTS.........How much tunnel vision does it take to MISS THIS? 

20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

It tells us right there in the Scriptures that these are PLAGUES OF God, yet you insist it Demonic activity. This is why I am very careful before I have my opinions/understanding presented before others. I take all things into consideration. Its VERY CLEAR God kills them because they Worshiped IDOLS made from Gold, Silver, Brass, Stone and Wood. 

On 9/9/2020 at 9:52 AM, luigi said:

2 Kings 19:35 And it came to pass that night, that the angel of the Lord went out, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses.

Isaiah 37:36 Then the angel of the Lord went forth, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians a hundred and fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses.

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

The above has NOTHING to do with the End Times brother.

Edited September 13, 2020 by Revelation Man

[luigi]

20 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

What's NEEDED or NOT NEEDED is not relevant to how many are there. The Logic fails, you only need one man to be the hangman and pull all the traps too hang dozen men, you can have many men there watching. It took Micheal 21 days to overcome the resistance of a Demonic Force, so in reality, you have no idea what it takes to overcome Demonic Resistance, the Bible says it took Micheal 21 days to overcome the dark demon prince of Persia (Apollyon I assume). 

The Assyrian  is a name for the MAN....Not the Army, the army is from the E.U. (I miss nothing) Now that that's settled.

The Angels are BOUND to an appointed time, a day, an hour, a month and a year. Not to a river per se. They have an appointment in the REGION with a MOMENT in time, a DAY.........AND HOUR.......etc. etc. It couldn't be any clearer.

You, like others always miss the KEY POINTS.........How much tunnel vision does it take to MISS THIS? 

20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

It tells is right there in the Scriptures that these are PLAGUES OF God, yet you insist it Demonic activity. This is why I am very careful before I have my opinions/understanding presented before others. I take all things into consideration. Its VERY CLEAR God kills them because they Worshiped IDOLS made from Gold, Silver, Brass, Stone and Wood. 

The above has NOTHING to do with the End Times brother.

 

2 Peter 2:11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

[Revelation Man]

1 hour ago, luigi said:

 

2 Peter 2:11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

I guess you are admitting you were wrong with that NON REPLY.............. reply

[luigi]

15 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

I guess you are admitting you were wrong with that NON REPLY.............. reply

The Word in 2 Peter 2:11 clearly states that angels are greater in power and might than man. The 185,000 Assyrian army killed by a single angel in a single night (in the 8th century BC), clearly shows that. 2oo million angels would not be necessary to kill 1/3 of mankind over the course of 13 months and 25 hours. It is the four angels who are released who influence the world's leaders to use their combined military forces to initiate global genocide that kill 1/3 of mankind, so that supplies stretch for the remaining 2/3 of mankind.