The seven angels trumpet soundings in Revelation 8, 9, & 11

[luigi]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

 

These first four angels sounding warnings in Revelation 8, thereby correlate with the first four seals in Revelation 6.  Complete MYTH. Human imagination. 

The seals are all opened and forgotten before the first trumpet sounds. ANY theory that must rearrange Revelation's God given chronology to fit - is error. Learn this axiom.  When all the seals are opened, then the BOOK gets opened, and the first thing written inside the book is to give seven trumpets to seven angels. So your theory is impossible.

If the beast ascends from the bottomless pit upon its being opened when the fifth angel sounds; then the events under the first four soundings in Revelation 8 precede the beasts ascension. Super simple basic one plus one assessment. When we now go back to Revelation 6:12-17 we see that under the sixth seal the wrath of the Lord is commencing, thereby indicating the events under the first five seals occurring prior to the Lord's wrath commencing. When we then go to Revelation 11:15-19 we see that once the seventh angel sounds, the kingdoms of the world become the Lords, which occurs at the conclusion of the two witnesses testimony along with the beast's 42 months of global authority, and the Lords wrath is about to commence. When you then correlate these data together, we see that the events prior to the sixth seal being opened would have to include that of the beast's 42 months of global authority. Does this 42 months of global authority of the beast in which the whole faithless world is in love with the beasts system happen when the plague events in Revelation 8 occur? Not likely. Does this 42 months of global authority of the beast in which the whole faithless world is in love with the beasts system happen when the dire events under the first four seals occur? Not likely again. As such, the beasts rising upon the opening of the bottomless pit at the fifth angels sounding would logically occur with the events under the fifth seal.

Edited September 14, 2020 by luigi

[Revelation Man]

On 9/13/2020 at 9:38 AM, luigi said:

The Word in 2 Peter 2:11 clearly states that angels are greater in power and might than man. The 185,000 Assyrian army killed by a single angel in a single night (in the 8th century BC), clearly shows that. 2oo million angels would not be necessary to kill 1/3 of mankind over the course of 13 months and 25 hours. It is the four angels who are released who influence the world's leaders to use their combined military forces to initiate global genocide that kill 1/3 of mankind, so that supplies stretch for the remaining 2/3 of mankind.

The End Time Battle has nothing to do with anything you are pointing out. For starters, as I stated, there can be 500 TRILLION Angels in battle and it takes only ONE...........So, you theory would still be wrong because they are still ANGELS and they would number 500 TRILLION even if it took only ONE. I am telling you they ARE Angels because they are plagues from God, you are coming out of LEFT FIELD with MAYBES. I don't even get it tbh, they are Angels, they DELIVER Plagues from God, but of course since you always though it was 200 Million men.............Well, its 200 million men.......even though its not. Your reasoning makes absolutely no sense, it reeks of desperation via a debate loss.

No Angels are BOUND..........they are bound to a Day, an Hour, a Month and a Year.........A POINT IN TIME.........in the Region where the Great River is. Satan is not killing Satan. Even Jesus told you this does not happen in his House divided parable. 

God Bless.

[iamlamad]

17 hours ago, luigi said:

If the beast ascends from the bottomless pit upon its being opened when the fifth angel sounds; then the events under the first four soundings in Revelation 8 precede the beasts ascension. Super simple basic one plus one assessment. When we now go back to Revelation 6:12-17 we see that under the sixth seal the wrath of the Lord is commencing, thereby indicating the events under the first five seals occurring prior to the Lord's wrath commencing. When we then go to Revelation 11:15-19 we see that once the seventh angel sounds, the kingdoms of the world become the Lords, which occurs at the conclusion of the two witnesses testimony along with the beast's 42 months of global authority, and the Lords wrath is about to commence. When you then correlate these data together, we see that the events prior to the sixth seal being opened would have to include that of the beast's 42 months of global authority. Does this 42 months of global authority of the beast in which the whole faithless world is in love with the beasts system happen when the plague events in Revelation 8 occur? Not likely. Does this 42 months of global authority of the beast in which the whole faithless world is in love with the beasts system happen when the dire events under the first four seals occur? Not likely again. As such, the beasts rising upon the opening of the bottomless pit at the fifth angels sounding would logically occur with the events under the fifth seal.

If the beast ascends from the bottomless pit upon its being opened when the fifth angel sounds; then the events under the first four soundings in Revelation 8 precede the beasts ascension. Brilliant!

When we now go back to Revelation 6:12-17 we see that under the sixth seal the wrath of the Lord is commencing, thereby indicating the events under the first five seals occurring prior to the Lord's wrath Brilliant! 

When we then go to Revelation 11:15-19 we see that once the seventh angel sounds, the kingdoms of the world become the Lords, which occurs at the conclusion of the two witnesses testimony  And you were doing so well, talking John's chronology as truth. It only APPEARS that the testimony of the Two Witnesses has concluded: the truth is, they just started 3 1/2 DAYS before. You have already agreed that their testimony is parallel to the Beast's 42 months of authority and the 42 months of trampling. Are you going back on that now. The truth is, the story of the death of the Two witnesses is written as a parenthesis and so is OUTSIDE of John's Chronology. The truth is, there 1260 days will end just 3 1/2 days from the END Of the week. (the 7th trumpet marks the midpoint of the week.)

and the Lords wrath is about to commence.  NO! His wrath started when the DAY of His wrath started: at the 6th seal. 

the events prior to the sixth seal being opened would have to include that of the beast's 42 months of global authority.  You are rearranging again! Your theory will be proven wrong. The beast's 42 months of authority is SECOND HALF of the week: delineated in Revelation from the 7th trumpet to the 7th vial - from chapter 11 to chapter 16. That is the second half. The midpoint is marked by 5 (five) mentions of the last half of the week, two in days, two in months and one in "times."

Does this 42 months of global authority of the beast in which the whole faithless world is in love with the beasts system happen when the plague events in Revelation 8 occur? Not likely. Of course not! Revelation 8 is the first half of the week.

Does this 42 months of global authority of the beast in which the whole faithless world is in love with the beasts system happen when the dire events under the first four seals occur? Not likely again.   Of course not: the seals (up to seal 5) are church age. 

As such, the beasts rising upon the opening of the bottomless pit at the fifth angels sounding would logically occur with the events under the fifth seal. You are forcing open the BOOK before all seals are opened: IMPOSSIBLE!

[luigi]

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The End Time Battle has nothing to do with anything you are pointing out. For starters, as I stated, there can be 500 TRILLION Angels in battle and it takes only ONE...........So, you theory would still be wrong because they are still ANGELS and they would number 500 TRILLION even if it took only ONE. I am telling you they ARE Angels because they are plagues from God, you are coming out of LEFT FIELD with MAYBES. I don't even get it tbh, they are Angels, they DELIVER Plagues from God, but of course since you always though it was 200 Million men.............Well, its 200 million men.......even though its not. Your reasoning makes absolutely no sense, it reeks of desperation via a debate loss.

No Angels are BOUND..........they are bound to a Day, an Hour, a Month and a Year.........A POINT IN TIME.........in the Region where the Great River is. Satan is not killing Satan. Even Jesus told you this does not happen in his House divided parable. 

God Bless.

The plagues in Revelation 8 & 9 are attributed to the love mankind has for the things his hands produce. Today the things mans hands produce come primarily from fossil fuel burning factories. They are not plagues from God due to the love mankind has for the things his hands produce from fossil fuel burning factories.

Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

[luigi]

17 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

 

When we then go to Revelation 11:15-19 we see that once the seventh angel sounds, the kingdoms of the world become the Lords, which occurs at the conclusion of the two witnesses testimony  And you were doing so well, talking John's chronology as truth. It only APPEARS that the testimony of the Two Witnesses has concluded: the truth is, they just started 3 1/2 DAYS before. You have already agreed that their testimony is parallel to the Beast's 42 months of authority and the 42 months of trampling. Are you going back on that now. The truth is, the story of the death of the Two witnesses is written as a parenthesis and so is OUTSIDE of John's Chronology. The truth is, there 1260 days will end just 3 1/2 days from the END Of the week. (the 7th trumpet marks the midpoint of the week.)

 

The kingdoms of the World becoming the kingdoms of the Lord with the Lord commencing to reign as indicated, cannot mean it is the midpoint in the beast's week. You cannot have the beast being given authority to reign over the kingdoms of the world for the last 42 months, while the kingdoms of the world at the same time become the Lords kingdoms. When the seventh angel sounds is the end of the beast's 42 month reign, and the kingdoms of the world then become the Lord's, all of which occur at the end of the week.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Edited September 15, 2020 by luigi

[iamlamad]

8 minutes ago, luigi said:

The plagues in Revelation 8 & 9 are attributed to the love mankind has for the things his hands produce. Today the things mans hands produce come primarily from fossil fuel burning factories. They are not plagues from God due to the love mankind has for the things his hands produce from fossil fuel burning factories.

Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

Gold plated Buddha's do not come out of "factories." 

[iamlamad]

Just now, luigi said:

The kingdoms of the World becoming the kingdoms of the Lord with the Lord commencing to reign as indicated, cannot mean it is the midpoint in the beast's week. You cannot have the beast being given authority to reign over the kingdoms of the world for the last 42 months, while the kingdoms of the world become his. When the seventh angel sounds is the end of the beast's 42 month reign, and the kingdoms of the world then become the Lord's.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

WHO gives WHO the 42 months? Of course GOD gives the Beast 42 months. It is delegated authority. Delegated by God. If it is HIS - He has a right to delegate. The truth is, it suits His will and His plan to allow the Beast 42 months of Authority. The world is proving to God in many ways that they WANT a world without God. So God is going to give them a world without Him - for a while. He will turn His back on the world, so to speak, and show the world what a world without God would be like. 

You are rearranging again, so without a doubt your theory will be proven wrong. Question: what is wrong with the order in which Revelation is written? Why not form your theory from Revelation as written? The man of sin will be revealed  - so the world will know who the AC Beast is - at the midpoint of the week. Again I point to the 5 mentions of the 3 1/2 year period of time: two given as days, two given as months and one as times. These countdowns PROVE chapters 11, 12, and 13 are midpoint chapters. 

[iamlamad]

18 hours ago, luigi said:

I'm going to put this as simple as I can. The beast ascends from the bottomless pit which is during the 5th  angels sounding warning of woe. Prior to the opening of the bottomless pit, when the first four sounding warnings occur, the beast has yet to ascend. As such, the 1,260 days of the beast have not commenced until the fifth angels sounding. Trumpet soundings of woe, 5 and 6, the beast is up, which is then during the beasts 42 months of authority.

First off, call them trumpets, as John does. The Beast that ascends at the 5th trumpet has NOTHING to do with the Beast ascended from the waters later on in the book. This "destroyer" leads the stinging locusts. That is his purpose at the 5th seal. John does not tell us what happens to him after that. He disappears. It is probably the devil Himself. If so, he will not possess the man of sin until the man of sin declares he is GOD - and that is what divides the week. You are taking some event from the middle of the FIRST HALF of the week, and imagining it aligns with something later. In short, you are ignoring TIME. 

The TRUTH: the beast does not have 1260 days - He has 42 months. And His time will not BEGIN until the midpoint of the week. Why don't you just believe John? 

[luigi]

14 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

Gold plated Buddha's do not come out of "factories." 

Is the Lord punishing mankind throughout the world for their worship of deities cast in earthen material? Idolatry is the love for material things. Idolatry is another word for materialism.

Edited September 15, 2020 by luigi

[iamlamad]

Just now, luigi said:

Is the Lord punishing mankind throughout the world for their worship of deities cast in earthen material? Idolatry is the love for material things. 

Here is why the Lord is angry:   yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

They are worshiping FALSE GODS: things their own hands made. Have you ever been to Asia? Almost EVERY high hill or mountain has a temple to a false God on it.