Mideast Peace 2.0

[iamlamad]

6 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

https://biblehub.com/daniel/11-35.htm

Do you stand by your assumption that these people are purified and made white by the blood of beasts until the end when Daniel says Egypt is destroyed? 

https://biblehub.com/daniel/11-42.htm

Yes, of course. It is SCRIPTURE. Therefore it is TRUTH. But do you understand the real meaning/

To TRY: tsaraph

to smelt, refine, test

(Qal)

to smelt, refine

to test

to test (and prove true)   This seems to fit the context better than any other

smelter, refiner, goldsmith (participle)

(Niphal) to be refined

(Piel) to be a refiner

refiner (participle)

 

 

And some of those of understanding shall fall, to try [tsaraph: test]  them, and to purge [barar ] and to make them white, even to the time of the end, because it is yet for a time appointed.

Purge:

 

to purify, select, polish, choose, purge, cleanse or make bright, test or prove

(Qal)

to purge, purge out, purify

to choose, select

to cleanse, make shining, polish

to test, prove

(Niphal) to purify oneself

(Piel) to purify

(Hiphil)

to purify

to polish arrows

(Hithpael)

to purify oneself

to show oneself pure, just, kind

And some of those of understanding shall fall, to try [tsaraph: test]  them, and to purge [barar : to purify oneself, to show oneself pure, just, kind, to test, to prove] and to make them white, even to the time of the end, because it is yet for a time appointed.

Laban

to be white

(Hiphil)

to make white, become white, purify

to show whiteness, grow white

(Hithpael) to become white, be purified (ethical)

(Qal) to make bricks

And some of those of understanding shall fall, to try [tsaraph: test]  them, and to purge [barar : to purify oneself, to show oneself pure, just, kind, to test, to prove] and to make them white [to be white, to make white, to become white (to be purified)], even to the time of the end, because it is yet for a time appointed.

Could then be clean or purified under the Old Covenant?

Rights of purification:

Numbers 19:

¹⁷ And for an unclean person they shall take of the ashes of the burnt heifer of purification for sin, and running water shall be put thereto in a vessel:

¹⁸ And a clean person shall take hyssop, and dip it in the water, and sprinkle it upon the tent, and upon all the vessels, and upon the persons that were there, and upon him that touched a bone, or one slain, or one dead, or a grave:

¹⁹ And the clean person shall sprinkle upon the unclean on the third day, and on the seventh day: and on the seventh day he shall purify himself, and wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and shall be clean at even.

Yes, in Antiochus' and Maccabees time, once the temple was open, they could be purified according to OT rules. Therefore, it is not an assumption. It is the truth of scripture. 

[iamlamad]

1 minute ago, luigi said:

Whatever theory you and others come up with about the beast, its mouth, and related issues, they have to meet all the criteria provided in the Word. If ones theory does not meet the criteria, then there are problems, and the theory is most likely on the wrong track.

Take a look at Isaiah 24 and tell me what this matter relates to if you can. Hint, it is very obvious when seen in relation to end times scriptures.

²³ Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the Lord of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.

This is, without much doubt, the SAME sign given in Matthew 24. It is, therefore, about the 70th week that precedes the reign of Christ on earth.

[luigi]

10 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

²³ Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the Lord of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.

This is, without much doubt, the SAME sign given in Matthew 24. It is, therefore, about the 70th week that precedes the reign of Christ on earth.

I agree with you where the Lord will commence to reign at the end of Isaiah 24:23 is without much doubt the same sign given in Matthew 24:29. But there is a lot more that happens in Isaiah 24 preceding the Lord commencing to reign that correlates with the other events described in other scriptures that will support what these things truly represent. Let's see if you can tell me what the curse is.

Isaiah 24:6 Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

[iamlamad]

10 minutes ago, luigi said:

I agree with you where the Lord will commence to reign at the end of Isaiah 24:23 is without much doubt the same sign given in Matthew 24:29. But there is a lot more that happens in Isaiah 24 preceding the Lord commencing to reign that correlates with the other events described in other scriptures that will support what these things truly represent. Let's see if you can tell me what the curse is.

Isaiah 24:6 Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

I am sure you will tell me what you think.  it has always been SIN that brings the curse. Note the "therefore:" why is it there? It refers back to the previous verse that TELLS US why the curse:
they transgressed laws, violated statutes, broke the everlasting covenant.

[luigi]

3 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

I am sure you will tell me what you think.  it has always been SIN that brings the curse. Note the "therefore:" why is it there? It refers back to the previous verse that TELLS US why the curse:
they transgressed laws, violated statutes, broke the everlasting covenant.

It's the same curse that goes over the face of the whole earth in Zechariah 5:3. And if you look at chapter 4, you'll see this is occurring when the two lampsticks, who are the two witnesses in Revelation 11 are around. The curse is therefore the beast's new world order that will go over the face of the whole world. As such, return to Isaiah 24 and take a look at the environmental results of the power that satan will provide the beast. Can you tell me what it is in Isaiah 24:20 that shall fall, never to rise again when the earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard?

Zechariah 5:3 Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.

Isaiah 24:20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

[iamlamad]

Just now, luigi said:

It's the same curse that goes over the face of the whole earth in Zechariah 5:3. And if you look at chapter 4, you'll see this is occurring when the two lampsticks, who are the two witnesses in Revelation 11 are around. The curse is therefore the beast's new world order that will go over the face of the whole world. As such, return to Isaiah 24 and take a look at the environmental results of the power that satan will provide the beast. Can you tell me what it is in Isaiah 24:20 that shall fall, never to rise again when the earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard?

Zechariah 5:3 Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.

Isaiah 24:20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

You tell me. 

But before you do, whatever it is you are leading up to must  follow Revelation: the most complete treatise on the end times. 

[luigi]

5 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

You tell me. 

But before you do, whatever it is you are leading up to must  follow Revelation: the most complete treatise on the end times. 

It's the transgression, which is the curse, which is the power the destroyer, the devil provides the beast that causes all the environmental chaos in Isaiah 24 that shall fall, never to rise again. Can you not recognize the environmental destruction in Isaiah 24 with the environmental destruction in Revelation 8 & 16?

[Shilohsfoal]

5 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Yes, of course. It is SCRIPTURE. Therefore it is TRUTH. But do you understand the real meaning/

To TRY: tsaraph

to smelt, refine, test

(Qal)

to smelt, refine

to test

to test (and prove true)   This seems to fit the context better than any other

smelter, refiner, goldsmith (participle)

(Niphal) to be refined

(Piel) to be a refiner

refiner (participle)

 

 

And some of those of understanding shall fall, to try [tsaraph: test]  them, and to purge [barar ] and to make them white, even to the time of the end, because it is yet for a time appointed.

Purge:

 

to purify, select, polish, choose, purge, cleanse or make bright, test or prove

(Qal)

to purge, purge out, purify

to choose, select

to cleanse, make shining, polish

to test, prove

(Niphal) to purify oneself

(Piel) to purify

(Hiphil)

to purify

to polish arrows

(Hithpael)

to purify oneself

to show oneself pure, just, kind

And some of those of understanding shall fall, to try [tsaraph: test]  them, and to purge [barar : to purify oneself, to show oneself pure, just, kind, to test, to prove] and to make them white, even to the time of the end, because it is yet for a time appointed.

Laban

to be white

(Hiphil)

to make white, become white, purify

to show whiteness, grow white

(Hithpael) to become white, be purified (ethical)

(Qal) to make bricks

And some of those of understanding shall fall, to try [tsaraph: test]  them, and to purge [barar : to purify oneself, to show oneself pure, just, kind, to test, to prove] and to make them white [to be white, to make white, to become white (to be purified)], even to the time of the end, because it is yet for a time appointed.

Could then be clean or purified under the Old Covenant?

Rights of purification:

Numbers 19:

¹⁷ And for an unclean person they shall take of the ashes of the burnt heifer of purification for sin, and running water shall be put thereto in a vessel:

¹⁸ And a clean person shall take hyssop, and dip it in the water, and sprinkle it upon the tent, and upon all the vessels, and upon the persons that were there, and upon him that touched a bone, or one slain, or one dead, or a grave:

¹⁹ And the clean person shall sprinkle upon the unclean on the third day, and on the seventh day: and on the seventh day he shall purify himself, and wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and shall be clean at even.

Yes, in Antiochus' and Maccabees time, once the temple was open, they could be purified according to OT rules. Therefore, it is not an assumption. It is the truth of scripture. 

That would mean the Pharisees of Jesus's time were pure and clean, refined,because they were still killing beasts in a building they called the temple. 

In fact they were killing animals all the up to 70 AD. And since the end has not taken place yet today and egypt has not been destroyed, you believe they can kill sheep even today and they will be clean and pure. 

Since the end still hasn't come, you believe they will be clean if they kill a goat or cow? 

Truth of scripture, right? 

Edited September 21, 2020 by Shilohsfoal

[iamlamad]

43 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

That would mean the Pharisees of Jesus's time were pure and clean, refined,because they were still killing beasts in a building they called the temple. 

In fact they were killing animals all the up to 70 AD. And since the end has not taken place yet today and egypt has not been destroyed, you believe they can kill sheep even today and they will be clean and pure. 

Since the end still hasn't come, you believe they will be clean if they kill a goat or cow? 

Truth of scripture, right? 

No, it does not mean that at all. God looks on the heart. Salvation always comes by faith, New Testament or old. People had to have faith in the sacrifices or it would do them no good. Your thinking is messed up. You think one way and like a bull dog hang onto it and try to get others to believe it. While the whole church world believes Daniel 11:35 is for Antiochus, you imagine it is future. Of course you are free to believe that. Please, though, quit trying to get someone else to follow you into error. 

Remember in Elijah's day, God had 7000 that had faith in the sacrifices and were declared righteous. 

On the other hand, Jesus said if the Pharisees in his day - "ye are of your father, the devil." If someone bacck then  was doing things against to law, and they knew they were, and they were doing it on purpose - say for financial gain - it would have been very difficult for them to have faith in the sacrifices; their conscience would get in their way.

Now we have THE sacrifice, one that can wipe away even the guilt of sin! They did not have that. 

Edited September 21, 2020 by iamlamad

[iamlamad]

4 hours ago, luigi said:

It's the transgression, which is the curse, which is the power the destroyer, the devil provides the beast that causes all the environmental chaos in Isaiah 24 that shall fall, never to rise again. Can you not recognize the environmental destruction in Isaiah 24 with the environmental destruction in Revelation 8 & 16?

I think I will go with what is written here: therefore, meaning "because"  they transgressed laws, violated statutes, broke the everlasting covenant.  Sorry, nothing about the environment. 

Look, it is going to be GOD destroying the "environment!" first 1/3 in the  trumpets, then total in the vials. I think you boarded the wrong train.