Is abortion a free-trip to heaven?

[Duck]

2 hours ago, Josheb said:

Hey, babe; wanna come see my Bible collection? Maybe you can show me some of your upgrades ? My wife and I would love to meet another strong and empowered woman.

 

 

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My upgrade NKJV

but, Ok, you buy the ticket, and I’m there

Edited January 1, 2021 by Duck

[Duck]

2 hours ago, CaptWalker said:

I agree, and whatever God's final decision is will be 110% completely justified and righteous, period. But my original question was basically in asking how He judges, whether it's based on what the unborn child WOULD have done later in life? And one point i failed to mention was that in Psalms-51:5..."Behold i was brought forth in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me."

So then my confusion is about where the teaching comes from that we are all born in innocence because we don't yet have freewill to make any kind of rational decisions, such as knowing right from wrong?? But according to this verse we actually are already in a state of "sin" as soon as we are born and therefore would technically be subject to any sins that we may have committed later in life. And what if someone like Charles Manson would have been aborted, would they be in heaven right now?? But really i guess it would only matter to the mother herself, as far as wanting to see that child again, and if they would have turned out to be a serial killer then i would think she would not really be too interested in seeing them again?? So maybe it's really all a moot point, and how God judges the "innocent" is really His business and like i said, it will be justified regardless. 

Romans 5:12 etc 

[Alive]

11 minutes ago, Duck said:

more fun this way. Men debate when they think your male.

once they know you’re female, they disappear

I don't think that is true--you are limiting yourself with skewed expectations and also limiting others in the same manner. You shouldn't do that.

Every member of the Body of Christ has contributive value--"there is neither male nor female".

Gal. 3:28 (MOUNCE-NT) Now there is neither Jew nor Greek, neither slave nor free, neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

[Duck]

7 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Oooo... that's sexist. What about the lie of omission implicit within that last statement?

 

And given the content of this current discussion I'd say the cat is now out of the bag and you may as well now include that in your profile. 

 Never been to West Virginia 

Edited January 1, 2021 by Duck

[CaptWalker]

22 hours ago, Duck said:

 Never been to West Virginia 

Well maybe you haven't been missing much, but never been there myself so who am i to say? Either way that is not where Josheb is even from so maybe he was right about what i assume he was insinuating? And maybe if you had been a bit more creative such as calling yourself something like the DuckofDeath then it might have made your intents a bit more obvious to us who are a bit slow, or either just don't even care why you are here. But then if you are not too familiar with Eastwood movies then never mind, even though that movie title may have been very appropriate?

Seriously though, I does seem like there is a bit more going on here than some simple "trolling" and maybe even some drug/alcohol use involved, since i do know a little about those things. Or maybe just someone who is lost and this is their way of reaching out in a way, not to refer to you in the third person but at this point i'm not really exactly how to refer to you?? But as far as debating goes, i think that most guys like myself tend to shy away from getting into it with someone of the opposite sex(unless they are Atheist). But then i could just be replying to a "troll" which makes all this just as meaningless as every single thing YOU have said up to this point...??

Edited January 2, 2021 by CaptWalker

[Duck]

43 minutes ago, CaptWalker said:

Well maybe you haven't been missing much, but never been there myself so who am i to say? Either way that is not where Josheb is even from so maybe he was right about what i assume he was insinuating? And maybe if you had been a bit more creative such as calling yourself something like the DuckofDeath then it might have made your intents a bit more obvious to us who are a bit slow, or either just don't even care why you are here. But then if you are not too familiar with Eastwood movies then never mind, even though that movie title may have been very appropriate?

Seriously though, I does seem like there is a bit more going on here than some simple "trolling" and maybe even some drug/alcohol use involved, since i do know a little about those things. Or maybe just someone who is lost and this is their way of reaching out in a way, not to refer to you in the third person but at this point i'm not really exactly how to refer to you?? But as far as debating goes, i think that most guys like myself tend to shy away from getting into it with someone of the opposite sex(unless they are Atheist). But then i could just be replying to a "troll" which makes all this just as meaningless as every single thing YOU have said up to this point...??

No, I’m not a troll. Just get a bit silly sometimes. I wanted to share the reality of my experience,

1. to hopefully deter people from making the same decision I made.

2. To open up a discussion with others who have made it, and regret it. (Most people I talk to make feeble excuses for their abortions)

ive always been troubled about mine and my baby’s destiny, and nice feely messages haven’t helped for nearly thirty years tbh

the consequences of sin 

[JohnR7]

On 9/20/2020 at 4:10 PM, LonerAndy said:

I just find the way you described it, as if they have have this easy way of getting to Heaven, when the reality is they are being torn apart... didn't ring well with me.

John Wesley has a sermon on this. At the resurrection we get our exact body back. Even if you are eaten by a shark, our essential body will pass through that shark and he will only be able to use our stored energy.  So at the resurrection they will get their earthly body back. 

[CaptWalker]

9 hours ago, Josheb said:

Post, not poster. 

You're gonna lose your own op, Capt.

Edited January 3, 2021 by CaptWalker

[Dennis1209]

On 9/16/2020 at 11:38 AM, CaptWalker said:

Well i have heard and believe it myself that all aborted babies are innocent and go to heaven, so this question is focused only on this assumption. So if this is true then what about all those babies that would have been born and lived a normal life but never accepted Christ...wouldn't they have been better off where they are at NOW?! And if so then could this actually be considered a positive aspect of abortion, or am i missing something? Such as what exactly happens to those unborn when they get to heaven, and if they are then in adult form and asked whether or not they accept or reject Christ as Savior before they are received into the Kingdom or sent to hell? It just seems kind of unfair that all those millions of aborted would get a free pass without having to go through the misery of life and make a choice to accept Christ as we do? The only other option would be that they ALL would have been saved anyway, but that would only make sense if you believed in pre-existance(which i do) and God chooses which pre-created souls will be born and which are aborted? And I am pretty sure about my own opinion but just curious about what others think, hoping to avoid the typical close-minded abortion rhetoric.

What complex thoughts and questions to try and answer. Right up front: It's well above my paygrade; and I always keep these verses in mind:

Proverbs 3:5 (KJV) Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. 6. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Romans 9:15 (KJV) For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. [emphasis added]

A free pass: The age of accountability: In addition to your thoughts above; what about those with Down Syndrome, mental defects, retardation, etc; not capable of making a decision or critical thinking? 

Omnisciently is not predestination, it's knowing every conceivable outcome [like when David was questioning the Lord about Saul, and if he should stay or go, if he does this or that will he die, etc.]. Why does our Lord allow such evil in this world since the fall? Short answer: At present, Satan is the god of this world and lord of the dead until Christ returns; Job is a near example. 

The Lord makes no mistakes in our creation: Jeremiah 1:5 (KJV) Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

I have never thought about abortion as a free pass, but an abomination that sends chills up my spine and makes me sick. 

We cannot know the mind of the Lord; only that He is righteous, just, loving and will repay evil and make things right. 

There's a number of examples in the Bible where people were resurrected from the dead; they had to die twice. We all have free will to accept or reject Jesus as our Lord and Savior. This is just a thought of mine, of so many possibilities, and just a "what if."

"What if", the Lord placed all those aborted babies into the millennium, to make their own free will choices? Might sound bizarre but, just a thought that popped into my head? 

[CaptWalker]

12 hours ago, Duck said:

No, I’m not a troll. Just get a bit silly sometimes. I wanted to share the reality of my experience,

1. to hopefully deter people from making the same decision I made.

2. To open up a discussion with others who have made it, and regret it. (Most people I talk to make feeble excuses for their abortions)

ive always been troubled about mine and my baby’s destiny, and nice feely messages haven’t helped for nearly thirty years tbh

the consequences of sin 

Well my Mom made the same mistake over 30 years ago, and she actually told me about it years later which is not at all what I would have expected her to do since she is usually a very private person, even with me. But i know now that it was because of the overwhelming guilt she was feeling over it and actually she told me about a second time just to remind me, almost as if she were begging for a prayer over this.  And i feel even worse about it because of having made her life so much more miserable due to my many mistakes of youth with getting into so much trouble which i won't bother to mention now. But i will say that is one reason i feel a bit more sympathetic to females in general who have done this(abortion) and always will empathize with them much more than i will listen to someone condemning them for it, no matter how evil it may be. Because i have accepted the fact that we can really do nothing to stop this and it will not be going away until Christ finally comes again, period. 

Edited January 3, 2021 by CaptWalker