Jesus' marraige feast parable proves a post trib rapture!

[The Light]

On 9/27/2020 at 2:19 PM, iamlamad said:

The wife in Rev. 19 has been in heaven since the rapture at the 6th seal.  You will have to take that up with John and the Holy Spirit, for they show the marriage in chapter 19, not in chapter 7.

WHY is the marriage shown in chapter 19? Simple, God must wait for the GUESTS to be resurrected: the OT saints, and their resurrection will be on the last day of the 70th week. 

Why is the marriage shown in Chapter 19? Because John has another different vision. The previous vision has concluded. The new vision shows the marriage supper of the 12 tribes that are gathered at the 6th seal. Which is the multitude which includes the Church that will be raptured in the pretrib rapture and the 12 tribes across the earth that are raptured at the 6th seal.

It would all clear up for you the day you realize that the 70th week of Daniel is over at the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal.

[TheBlade]

The red flag from the start should have said it all. "PROVES". Its a word you don't use theres a reason for that You just took verses out of Gods word put them together. You are trying to make Gods word agree with your personal belief. Well post (no pun intended) the "post trib" verse. Yeah there is none. No mid trib verse and no pre trib verse. See some that study this all their life will say "this is what I personally believe" well they know no one can prove it.

This is about Israel not America. Yes yes I now about the 7 Churches and all 7 were there when Christ told this to John. Yes I know some believe each of those Churches go back through history. So DUH we must be the one in Rev 3. But who is we? Well there are over 29 million Churches in the world. What GROUP are we talking about? I kinda doubt ALL of the 29 million are Laodicea.

Marriage... they pay a price for her.. he then goes back to his fathers house to make them a home. She stays behind not knowing when he will come get her. She has to always be ready and that candle always lit. So about a year later he, mostly at night with some friends some for her. As he gets closer he makes a loud noise so she knows he is coming. He takes her back to his fathers house for about a week. <----do you know what this proves? Nothing and its an old Jewish wedding. Jesus is the one that said I am going back to my Fathers house to make you a home for the Father has many rooms. If I go I will come back and get you/take you/ receive you unto my self so where I am you will be. Where I go you know. <---so WHEN does this happen? He is right now at the Fathers right hand. Then Pauls 1st letter was about "caught up". Paul said "we which remain". yeah Paul had no clue haha but we do? Paul had such a great revelation from God and he had no idea. Again we do? Yes we KNOW about "caught up". Yes and the Jewish people knew about their messiah so much they stood face to face and didn't know Him.\

Proves.. pfff

[Moby]

1 hour ago, TheBlade said:

The red flag from the start should have said it all. "PROVES". Its a word you don't use theres a reason for that You just took verses out of Gods word put them together. You are trying to make Gods word agree with your personal belief. Well post (no pun intended) the "post trib" verse. Yeah there is none. No mid trib verse and no pre trib verse. See some that study this all their life will say "this is what I personally believe" well they know no one can prove it.

This is about Israel not America. Yes yes I now about the 7 Churches and all 7 were there when Christ told this to John. Yes I know some believe each of those Churches go back through history. So DUH we must be the one in Rev 3. But who is we? Well there are over 29 million Churches in the world. What GROUP are we talking about? I kinda doubt ALL of the 29 million are Laodicea.

Marriage... they pay a price for her.. he then goes back to his fathers house to make them a home. She stays behind not knowing when he will come get her. She has to always be ready and that candle always lit. So about a year later he, mostly at night with some friends some for her. As he gets closer he makes a loud noise so she knows he is coming. He takes her back to his fathers house for about a week. <----do you know what this proves? Nothing and its an old Jewish wedding. Jesus is the one that said I am going back to my Fathers house to make you a home for the Father has many rooms. If I go I will come back and get you/take you/ receive you unto my self so where I am you will be. Where I go you know. <---so WHEN does this happen? He is right now at the Fathers right hand. Then Pauls 1st letter was about "caught up". Paul said "we which remain". yeah Paul had no clue haha but we do? Paul had such a great revelation from God and he had no idea. Again we do? Yes we KNOW about "caught up". Yes and the Jewish people knew about their messiah so much they stood face to face and didn't know Him.\

Proves.. pfff

Childish gibberish! The scriptures prove the timing for those who will actually open the link:

https://sumofthyword.com/2016/10/04/the-rapture-of-the-church-is-after-the-tribulation/

[Moby]

On 9/28/2020 at 5:16 PM, The Light said:

Seven of the last eight years are the 70th week of Daniel. The 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel as the Church will already be in heaven before the seals are opened, see Rev 5. That is why there are 144,000 first fruits from the 12 tribes. That is why the harvest from the earth that you see with the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal is mainly about the people of Daniel.

Do you view this is the Great Tribulation?

This verse is not about the Church. This verse has to do with the seed of the woman. FYI if a person has a Gentile mother and a Jewish father the child is considered a Gentile. If a person has a Jewish mother and a Gentile father the child is considered a Jew. When the word speaks of the dragon going after the seed of the woman, it is saying that the dragon goes after the Jews across the earth. They are the seed of the woman, not the Church.

Rev 12

¹² Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

¹³ And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

¹⁴ And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

¹⁵ And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

¹⁶ And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

¹⁷ And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The days are shortened for the elect. The elect that the days are shortened for are the 12 tribes across the earth. The elect of the Church will already be in heaven at this time and will return with Jesus at the gathering from heaven and earth.

Sorry it took so long to get back to you bro!

Yes the 5th seal marks the midpoint of the 7 years of tribulation:

Revelation 6:9-11  And when he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of them that had been slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:  (10)  and they cried with a great voice, saying, How long, O Master, the holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?  (11)  And there was given them to each one a white robe; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little time, until their fellow-servants also and their brethren, who should be killed even as they were, should have fulfilled their course.

The Gentile believers along with the Jewish believers chosen from the foundation of the world who will be resurrected/raptured as one body in CHRIST and ONE olive tree:

Ephesians 1:3-6  Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ:  (4)  even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish before him in love:  (5)  having foreordained us unto adoption as sons through Jesus Christ unto himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,  (6)  to the praise of the glory of his grace, which he freely bestowed on us in the Beloved:

Galatians 3:26-29  For ye are all sons of God, through faith, in Christ Jesus.  (27)  For as many of you as were baptized into Christ did put on Christ.  (28)  There can be neither Jew nor Greek, there can be neither bond nor free, there can be no male and female; for ye all are one man in Christ Jesus.  (29)  And if ye are Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, heirs according to promise.

Romans 2:10-11  but glory and honor and peace to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek:  (11)  for there is no respect of persons with God.

Romans 10:11-13  For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be put to shame.  (12)  For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek: for the same Lord is Lord of all, and is rich unto all that call upon him:  (13)  for, Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Colossians 3:11-14  where there cannot be Greek and Jew, circumcision and uncircumcision, barbarian, Scythian, bondman, freeman; but Christ is all, and in all.  (12)  Put on therefore, as God's elect, holy and beloved, a heart of compassion, kindness, lowliness, meekness, longsuffering;  (13)  forbearing one another, and forgiving each other, if any man have a complaint against any; even as the Lord forgave you, so also do ye:  (14)  and above all these things put on love, which is the bond of perfectness.

[The Light]

9 hours ago, Moby said:

Childish gibberish! The scriptures prove the timing for those who will actually open the link:

https://sumofthyword.com/2016/10/04/the-rapture-of-the-church-is-after-the-tribulation/

Yeah, you see clearly that there is rapture just before the wrath of God begins. What you haven't figured out is that it is the 12 tribes across the earth that are being raptured, as proven by the 144,000 first fruits that guarantee a harvest, and how more their fullness will be when they are regrafted.

It doesn't seem that you understand that the 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel and not the Church. It doesn't seem you understand the spring barley barley harvest, the early summer wheat harvest and the fall fruit harvest. Nor does it seem that you understand the early and latter rains.

The there is a reason that the fig tree has two harvests. There is a reason that the Jews are not the 1st harvest.

Hos 9

¹⁰ I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

The title of this topic that the Jewish wedding proves a post rapture doesn't appear to have legs to stand on.  The Jewish wedding shows that the bride must be ready as the groom may come at anytime. There are then 7 days of feasting after the wedding.

 

[WilliamL]

On 9/27/2020 at 1:19 PM, iamlamad said:

On 9/27/2020 at 11:19 AM, WilliamL said:

When the bride goes to the groom's father's house, the marriage is consummated first thing.

the vast majority of aorist verbs are translated as simple past tense.  What other choice would make the most sense? We simply don't have verbs that match these Aorist verbs. ALL  of our verbs have timing information.
The wife in Rev. 19 has been in heaven since the rapture at the 6th seal. Agreed. 

The wife in Rev. 19 has been in heaven since the rapture at the 6th seal.  You will have to take that up with John and the Holy Spirit, for they show the marriage in chapter 19, not in chapter 7. WHY is the marriage shown in chapter 19? Simple, God must wait for the GUESTS to be resurrected: the OT saints, and their resurrection will be on the last day of the 70th week. 

The marriage is shown as having already taken place, because it is consummated first thing upon the bride and groom coming into the father's house. That was the practice. There is no waiting for guests to arrive; that would be ridiculous as well as insulting to the bride and groom. According to the Hebraic tradition, the guests are already gathered, and the friend of the bridegroom waits for his signal that the marriage has been consummated. Then the feast begins.

[Moby]

On 9/30/2020 at 9:08 AM, The Light said:

Yeah, you see clearly that there is rapture just before the wrath of God begins. What you haven't figured out is that it is the 12 tribes across the earth that are being raptured, as proven by the 144,000 first fruits that guarantee a harvest, and how more their fullness will be when they are regrafted.

It doesn't seem that you understand that the 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel and not the Church. It doesn't seem you understand the spring barley barley harvest, the early summer wheat harvest and the fall fruit harvest. Nor does it seem that you understand the early and latter rains.

The there is a reason that the fig tree has two harvests. There is a reason that the Jews are not the 1st harvest.

Hos 9

¹⁰ I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

The title of this topic that the Jewish wedding proves a post rapture doesn't appear to have legs to stand on.  The Jewish wedding shows that the bride must be ready as the groom may come at anytime. There are then 7 days of feasting after the wedding.

 

Good morning brother!

Sorry I didn't get back to you on this post but somehow I overlooked it.

No bro I understand the ONE olive tree called "all Israel" very well and it will be resrrurected/raptured as ONE olive tree called the "Israel of God":

Galatians 6:15-16  For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.  (16)  And as many as shall walk by this rule, peace be upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

The book of Daniel was given to Daniel while he was a captive in the land of Babylon. The book was clearly shut up until our day when many Gentiles and Jews are clearly running(flying and driving) to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased(through the internet that has webbed the world together):

Daniel 12:4-13   But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.  (5)  Then I, Daniel, looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on the brink of the river on this side, and the other on the brink of the river on that side.  (6)  And one said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?  (7)  And I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and a half; and when they have made an end of breaking in pieces the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.  (8)  And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my lord, what shall be the issue of these things?  (9)  And he said, Go thy way, Daniel; for the words are shut up and sealed till the time of the end.  (10)  Many shall purify themselves, and make themselves white, and be refined; but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand; but they that are wise shall understand.  (11)  And from the time that the continual burnt-offering shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand and two hundred and ninety days.  (12)  Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.  (13)  But go thou thy way till the end be; for thou shalt rest, and shalt stand in thy lot, at the end of the days.

The "holy people" of God are clearly the ONE olive tree made up of believing Jews and believing Gentiles who Paul when quoting Hosea clearly proved only a remnant of physical Israel will make up when our Father finishes His work and cuts it short:

Romans 9:22-28  What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering vessels of wrath fitted unto destruction:  (23)  and that he might make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy, which he afore prepared unto glory,  (24)  even us, whom he also called, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles?  (25)  As he saith also in Hosea, I will call that my people, which was not my people; And her beloved, that was not beloved.  (26)  And it shall be, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, There shall they be called sons of the living God.  (27)  And Isaiah crieth concerning Israel, If the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, it is the remnant that shall be saved:  (28)  for the Lord will execute his word upon the earth, finishing it and cutting it short.

[The Light]

1 hour ago, Moby said:

Good morning brother!

Sorry I didn't get back to you on this post but somehow I overlooked it.

No bro I understand the ONE olive tree called "all Israel" very well and it will be resrrurected/raptured as ONE olive tree called the "Israel of God":

Galatians 6:15-16  For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.  (16)  And as many as shall walk by this rule, peace be upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

The book of Daniel was given to Daniel while he was a captive in the land of Babylon. The book was clearly shut up until our day when many Gentiles and Jews are clearly running(flying and driving) to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased(through the internet that has webbed the world together):

Daniel 12:4-13   But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.  (5)  Then I, Daniel, looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on the brink of the river on this side, and the other on the brink of the river on that side.  (6)  And one said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?  (7)  And I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and a half; and when they have made an end of breaking in pieces the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.  (8)  And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my lord, what shall be the issue of these things?  (9)  And he said, Go thy way, Daniel; for the words are shut up and sealed till the time of the end.  (10)  Many shall purify themselves, and make themselves white, and be refined; but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand; but they that are wise shall understand.  (11)  And from the time that the continual burnt-offering shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand and two hundred and ninety days.  (12)  Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.  (13)  But go thou thy way till the end be; for thou shalt rest, and shalt stand in thy lot, at the end of the days.

The "holy people" of God are clearly the ONE olive tree made up of believing Jews and believing Gentiles who Paul when quoting Hosea clearly proved only a remnant of physical Israel will make up when our Father finishes His work and cuts it short:

Romans 9:22-28  What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering vessels of wrath fitted unto destruction:  (23)  and that he might make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy, which he afore prepared unto glory,  (24)  even us, whom he also called, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles?  (25)  As he saith also in Hosea, I will call that my people, which was not my people; And her beloved, that was not beloved.  (26)  And it shall be, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, There shall they be called sons of the living God.  (27)  And Isaiah crieth concerning Israel, If the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, it is the remnant that shall be saved:  (28)  for the Lord will execute his word upon the earth, finishing it and cutting it short.

Like I said, it's great that you see a rapture at the sixth seal, but you have no concept as to who is being raptured. You also have no concept as to the timing of these rapture events. You don't understand the harvests, you don't understand the feasts of Israel and you don't seem to understand that until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, the twelve tribes across the earth will not see that Jesus is the Messiah.  It's all about timing.

There is a reason that the Church is mentioned 19 times in the first 3 chapters of Revelation and is not mentioned again until Revelation 19. And if you understood Revelation 19 and the marriage supper, you would understand that the marriage supper takes place just after the Church is raptured and that occurs in Rev 4. The wedding feast will last through the 70th week of Daniel and after the 1 year wrath of God (credit to you on this) both the Church and the 12 tribes across the earth will return as part of the armies of Christ. As to the woman, the nation of Israel, those that flee will be in a place of protection on earth during Gods wrath.

[iamlamad]

On 10/3/2020 at 7:45 AM, Moby said:

Good morning brother!

Sorry I didn't get back to you on this post but somehow I overlooked it.

No bro I understand the ONE olive tree called "all Israel" very well and it will be resrrurected/raptured as ONE olive tree called the "Israel of God":

Galatians 6:15-16  For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.  (16)  And as many as shall walk by this rule, peace be upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

The book of Daniel was given to Daniel while he was a captive in the land of Babylon. The book was clearly shut up until our day when many Gentiles and Jews are clearly running(flying and driving) to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased(through the internet that has webbed the world together):

Daniel 12:4-13   But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.  (5)  Then I, Daniel, looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on the brink of the river on this side, and the other on the brink of the river on that side.  (6)  And one said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?  (7)  And I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and a half; and when they have made an end of breaking in pieces the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.  (8)  And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my lord, what shall be the issue of these things?  (9)  And he said, Go thy way, Daniel; for the words are shut up and sealed till the time of the end.  (10)  Many shall purify themselves, and make themselves white, and be refined; but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand; but they that are wise shall understand.  (11)  And from the time that the continual burnt-offering shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand and two hundred and ninety days.  (12)  Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.  (13)  But go thou thy way till the end be; for thou shalt rest, and shalt stand in thy lot, at the end of the days.

The "holy people" of God are clearly the ONE olive tree made up of believing Jews and believing Gentiles who Paul when quoting Hosea clearly proved only a remnant of physical Israel will make up when our Father finishes His work and cuts it short:

Romans 9:22-28  What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering vessels of wrath fitted unto destruction:  (23)  and that he might make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy, which he afore prepared unto glory,  (24)  even us, whom he also called, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles?  (25)  As he saith also in Hosea, I will call that my people, which was not my people; And her beloved, that was not beloved.  (26)  And it shall be, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, There shall they be called sons of the living God.  (27)  And Isaiah crieth concerning Israel, If the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, it is the remnant that shall be saved:  (28)  for the Lord will execute his word upon the earth, finishing it and cutting it short.

What you are saying is limited ONLY to those who are born again. But just look at a map of the Middle Eeast: there is the nation of Israel, made up of mostly people NOT born again. God made promises to them that He is going to KEEP. 

[Moby]

14 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

What you are saying is limited ONLY to those who are born again. But just look at a map of the Middle Eeast: there is the nation of Israel, made up of mostly people NOT born again. God made promises to them that He is going to KEEP. 

Yes our Father made promises to a remnant of all nations including physical Israel by the end of the 7 years of tribulation:

Romans 9:22-33  What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering vessels of wrath fitted unto destruction:  (23)  and that he might make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy, which he afore prepared unto glory,  (24)  even us, whom he also called, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles?  (25)  As he saith also in Hosea, I will call that my people, which was not my people; And her beloved, that was not beloved.  (26)  And it shall be, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, There shall they be called sons of the living God.  (27)  And Isaiah crieth concerning Israel, If the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, it is the remnant that shall be saved:  (28)  for the Lord will execute his word upon the earth, finishing it and cutting it short.  (29)  And, as Isaiah hath said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, We had become as Sodom, and had been made like unto Gomorrah.  (30)  What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, who followed not after righteousness, attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith:  (31)  but Israel, following after a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law.  (32)  Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by works. They stumbled at the stone of stumbling;  (33)  even as it is written, Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence: And he that believeth on him shall not be put to shame.