One of the ten kings speak out

[Shilohsfoal]

3 hours ago, iamlamad said:

It is OK if you don't believe in the rapture; you will just be left behind. You can still make it to heaven the hard way, losing your head.

If I lost my head, I might take part in the first resurection. The rest of the dead lived not again till the 1000 years are finished. Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resirection for they shall be priests of God and of Christ and shall reign. 

I recon you will be waiting till the end of the 1000 years. 

 

[Shilohsfoal]

2 hours ago, iamlamad said:

All I am saying is, from 11:1 on down to 11:36 or so, it has been the king of the North, (the Seleucus Dynasty) versus the king of the South (the  Ptolemaic dynasty).

As for verses 36 to the end of the chapter, there is MUCH disagreement. It could be they continue with Antiochus until Rome takes over.  In chapter 12:1, the focus is on Israel and the days of GT. 

As for ships, who is allies with Syria today? Does Russia have ships? The Seleucid Empire had part of Turkey,  all of Iraq, and all of Iran back then. Does Iraq have a navy? Does Iran? These are silly questions because we can't see into the future and God did not tell us much. In case you did not know, Syria, Iraq, and Iran are Shiite Muslims when the rest of the Middle East is Sunni. These two groups have been fighting each other for centuries.

Well, I've been watching the chapter being fulfilled verse by verse. You have not been paying attention to it because you believed the Pharisees version. 

You stated Syria is is the king of the north. Now you say maybe Russia, Turkey, Iraq, and Iran might be the king of the north. Lol, you need to make up your mind. 

[R. Hartono]

9 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Jesus said the AOB causes the great tribulation. 

Yes but you see AC is alrdy accepted in Jerusalem at that time n he didnt need to send army as he was not the king of the north.

[iamlamad]

8 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Well, I've been watching the chapter being fulfilled verse by verse. You have not been paying attention to it because you believed the Pharisees version. 

You stated Syria is is the king of the north. Now you say maybe Russia, Turkey, Iraq, and Iran might be the king of the north. Lol, you need to make up your mind. 

After hours of studying, I have decided NOT to make up my mind. If the "experts" don't know.....Maybe you should tell instead of ask. Maybe I'll learn something. 

[iamlamad]

8 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

If I lost my head, I might take part in the first resurection. The rest of the dead lived not again till the 1000 years are finished. Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resirection for they shall be priests of God and of Christ and shall reign. 

I recon you will be waiting till the end of the 1000 years. 

All those in the rapture will take part in that same resurrection, but won't have to lose their head. Do you not LIKE your head? In other words, why lose it when God has an escape plan?

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

After hours of studying, I have decided NOT to make up my mind. If the "experts" don't know.....Maybe you should tell instead of ask. Maybe I'll learn something. 

The US is the one kicking Iraqs butt. 

But I'm expecting the next time it goes toward the south it will be as NATO. I believe the Trumpster will get Israel into NATO. 

https://www.politico.eu/article/nato-plus-me-donald-trump-proposes-nato-expansion-into-middle-east/

That would fix Israel sacrificial problem they've been struggling with. It would also put the king of the norths troops in Israel. 

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

All those in the rapture will take part in that same resurrection, but won't have to lose their head. Do you not LIKE your head? In other words, why lose it when God has an escape plan?

I would feel blessed to loose my head for my testimony of Christ. I don't believe it will happen but I couldn't think of a better way to die. 

[iamlamad]

Just now, Shilohsfoal said:

I would feel blessed to loose my head for my testimony of Christ. I don't believe it will happen but I couldn't think of a better way to die. 

I could; just finish my course and leave my body, and be present with the Lord. 

[Revelation Man]

On 10/3/2020 at 5:23 PM, R. Hartono said:

Antichrist will be accepted n welcomed in Israel as Jesus said, John 5:43 ....someone else will come with his name and you will acccept him.

that ac is not the king of the north in Daniel.

 

John 5:43 was a prophecy unto the Pharisees of Jesus' day, and thus it had to be fulfilled, during their lifetimes. THEY (Pharisees and Scribes/Jewish leaders) did not ACCEPT Jesus as the Son of the living God, but Jesus said THEY.........THEY as in the ones he was talking to............would accept ANOTHER who came in his own name. And, that is exactly what happened leading up to the 70 AD sacking of Jerusalem by Rome, whom the Pharisees/Scribes rightly understood to be the Fourth Beast, thus they looked for the Messiah, but they saw him as a "Political savior" not coming as the Son of the living God. The verses tell us this, if we look at the overall context. a man Jesus healed took up his bed and walked, a man who had not walked in 38 years. The Pharisees asked him why he was walking with his bed on the Sabbath, and he eventually showed them it was Jesus who healed him and told him to pick up his bed and go his way. Thus THE PHARISEES sought to harm Jesus/kill him, and this below was Jesus words unto THEM....Not people 2000 years down the road.

John 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me. 37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. 38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not. 39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

41 I receive not honour from men. 42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. 43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. 44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? 45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

How much more personalized can this be brother? 

Jesus told THEM.........YE, YE, YE, YE, YE, over and over in the above passage, that YE Pharisees will not accept me who came from the Father, but yet YE Pharisees will accept another who comes in his own name AS THE MESSIAH, and that is exactly what the Pharisees/Scribes/Jewish leaders did leading up to the 70 AD sacking of Jerusalem by Rome. They knew Rome was the Fourth Beast, thus they were looking for a "POITICAL HERO" to come and save them, they saw the Messiah as a MAN not God's Son, else why would they call Jesus a blasphemer ? If they knew the Messiah was supposed to be God's Son, they would not have reacted towards Jesus in such a vile way, for he looked the part, because he was in deed perfect in every way. And they would have been looking for a perfect human being, but instead they were looking for a "Conquering Hero"/"Political Figure".

So, men came forth to lead Israel against Rome and they dubbed these men the self proclaimed Messiah, and followed them as such. The prophecy was thus fulfilled in and around 70 AD. It has nothing to do with Israel accepting the Anti-Christ in the End Times. I see this all the time, people see others make these "JUMPS/Leaps of Faith" and they just go along with it, without looking deeply into the context. Jesus was speaking to YE Pharisees specifically, not to Jews 2000 some odd years later. 

The Scriptures tell us 1/3 of the Jews Repent BEFORE the coming DOTL and Flee to the Petra and Bozrah mountainous areas where God protects them for 1260 days, so they do not accept the Anti-Christ, and the 2/3 are who refuse to accept Jesus Christ are Humanists/non Religious types. They will perish at the Anti-Christs hands.

 

Edited October 11, 2020 by Revelation Man

[R. Hartono]

7 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

John 5:43 was a prophecy unto the Pharisees of Jesus' day, and thus it ad to be fulfilled, during their lifetimes. THEY (Pharisees and Scribes/Jewish leaders) did not ACCEPT Jesus as the Son of the living God, but Jesus said THEY.........THEY as in the ones he was talking to............would accept ANOTHER who came in his own name. And, that is exactly what happened leading up to the 70 AD sacking of Jerusalem by Rome, whom the Pharisees/Scribes rightly understood to be the Fourth Beast, thus they looked for the Messiah, but they saw him as a "Political savior" not coming as the Son of the living God. The verses tell us this, if we look at the overall context. a man Jesus healed took up his bed and walked, a man who had not walked in 38 years. The Pharisees asked him why he was walking with his bed on the Sabbath, and he eventually showed them it was Jesus who healed him and told him to pick up his bed and go his way. Thus THE PHARISEES sought to harm him, kill him, and this below was Jesus words unto THEM....Not people 2000 years down the road.

John 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me. 37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. 38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not. 39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

41 I receive not honour from men. 42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. 43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. 44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? 45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

How much more personalized can this be brother? 

Jesus told THEM.........YE, YE, YE, YE, YE, over and over in the above passage, that YE Pharisees will not accept me who came from the Father, but yet YE Pharisees will accept another who comes in his own name AS THE MESSIAH, and that is exactly what the Pharisees/Scribes/Jewish leaders did leading up to the 70 AD sacking of Jerusalem by Rome. They knew Rome was the Fourth Beast, thus they were looking for a "POITICAL HERO" to come and save them, they saw the Messiah as a MAN not God's Son, ese why would they call Jesus a blasphemer ? If they knew the Messiah was supposed to be God's Son, they would have reacted towards Jesus in such a vile way, for he looked the part, because he was in deed perfect in every way. And they would have been looking for a perfect human being, but instead they were looking for a "Conquering Hero".

So, men came forth to lead Israel against Rome and they dubbed these me the self proclaimed Messiah, and followed them as such. The prophecy was thus fulfilled in and around 70 AD. It has nothing to do with Israel accepting the Anti-Christ in the End Times. I see this all the time, people see others make these "JUMPS/Leaps of Faith" and they just go along with it, without looking deeply into the context. Jesus was speaking to YE Pharisees specifically, not to Jews 2000 some odd years later. 

The Scriptures tell us 1/3 of the Jews Repent BEFORE the coming DOTL and Flee to the Petra and Bozrah mountainous areas where God protects them for 1260 days, so they do not accept the Anti-Christ, and the 2/3 are Humanists/non Religious types. They will perish at the Anti-Christs hands.

 

The jews are still waiting for the Messiah just look at the news.