What is a "soul?"

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

The great dragon of Revelation 12:13 is thrown down to the ground out of the sky and that happens IN THE FUTURE! But, yes, he's ALWAYS been the original serpent!

How many events???
ALL future??  Or not?


Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Revelation 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.



Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.




Revelation 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
 

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Wrong again. By not understanding the HUGE DEVASTATION of the GLOBAL Flood - a Flood that inundated the WHOLE EARTH - of Noach's time, you just can't understand the degree to which the present earth is different than the earth before the Flood!

Modern evolutionary "Science" is WILLINGLY blind to the truth presented in the Scriptures. They throw out millions and billions of years like counterfeit currency! They're as bad as the democrats throwing money by the millions and billions at the problems they think they can change by glutting them with money, as though money is the answer to all life's problems!

Evolutionists do the same thing with millions and billions of years! They can't change a goo into a zoo without LOTS of time! They IGNORE their own true sciences which tell them that there are LIMITS to mutations that are still viable and procreative! Even when one combines a horse and a donkey into a mule, they CONVENIENTLY FORGET that the mule is STERILE!

Look, according to Genesis, the lifespans of the people who lived before the Flood were about 13 times longer than people live today. If reptiles, who continue to grow in length as long as they live, live 13 times longer than they do today, a 2-foot reptile will grow into a 26-foot reptile! Such is the case of the Johnston's and the Jackson's Chameleons. Those three-horned lizards would become three-horned "dinosaurs!"

Many of the dinosaurs are still extant, just in their smaller, less mature sizes. We call them "lizards" today. Did you know that there are lizards that run on their hind legs? Did you know that there are lizards today that have frills on their necks? Did you know that some lizards today have armor on their backs? Lizards are VERY good at hiding and being secretive to survive. Not all species are known, even today!

Science, falsely so-called, turns a blind eye to all of this in favor of their precious, little theory (which is little more than a hypothesis than a theory), and they DESPERATELY put up walls to protect their nonsense. 

Use it?  No, don't use it?   Yes, use it.  No don't.  I am confused.  

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

You would do well to take your own advice.

Bless your heart

[Retrobyter]

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Use it?  No, don't use it?   Yes, use it.  No don't.  I am confused.  

Shalom, DeighAnn, and Happy Chanukkah! Yeshua` is the Light of the World and the Great Shepherd! (John 10:1-30; the Feast of Dedication in vs. 22 is Chanukkah!)

You said, "I am confused." Of that, I am certain. Whoever so confused you in the past is the one who is guilty.

Yes, use science, which is defined as "observation and experimentation." True sciences give us all sorts of valuable information about our planet and our environments.

No, do NOT use "science" falsely so-called, which is Evolution, a HUMANISTIC PHILOSOPHY SUPERIMPOSED UPON real science. The philosophy is blind to God's Word - by CHOICE!

[Frits]

7 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

WHEN the LORD THUS says "God Himself FORMED IT, and created it not in vain" and I read that in the simplest form possible, and then I go to Gen 1:2 and am told that is was "And the earth was without form, and void

I realize it is time to PRAY FOR UNDERSTANDING.  

God Himself FORMED IT  -  was without form
He created it not in vain  -  was without form, and void.  

Hi Ann, first I want to make clear I didn't think for one minute you're sympathising with restitution theory. My post was ment general not to attack someone but as a warning, thus for you too.

Let's look at Isaiah 45:18:

"For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God Himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else."

(18b) 'He created it not 'in vain', to stay in vain!  'Vain' here means 'useless', 'purposeless', 'without avail'.
So for the Lord God the seminal form of the earth as e.g. mars, jupiter and saturn still have was not enough. The Lord God had a specific and highly important purpose for the earth: a good place for man (he had in mind) he could grow up ('in the garden') and transform from a natural into a heavenly man. Not only dominion on earth over fish, fowl, cattle, etc. but as Gods 'image and likeness' in heaven too.
Because of this high intentions with man he wanted the earth to be 'inhabited'. The continuation of Genesis gives us all the details how he 'fashioned' the earth.

God bless.

[DeighAnn]

19 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

You said, "I am confused." Of that, I am certain. Whoever so confused you in the past is the one who is guilty.

Whosoever confused me is guilty?  

 Who was that response written to?  

I must say, the way you put it forth could possibly deceive someone into thinking I was confused about the Word of God, which may be your opinion, but not necessarily TRUTH.  Point of fact was it was the POST and how it was presented that confused me.  

[DeighAnn]

16 hours ago, Frits said:

(18b) 'He created it not 'in vain', to stay in vain!  'Vain' here means 'useless', 'purposeless', 'without avail'.
So for the Lord God the seminal form of the earth as e.g. mars, jupiter and saturn still have was not enough. The Lord God had a specific and highly important purpose for the earth: a good place for man (he had in mind) he could grow up ('in the garden') and transform from a natural into a heavenly man. Not only dominion on earth over fish, fowl, cattle, etc. but as Gods 'image and likeness' in heaven too.
Because of this high intentions with man he wanted the earth to be 'inhabited'. The continuation of Genesis gives us all the details how he 'fashioned' the earth.

Seriously, I just need to SEE it in GODS WORD.  I have read it many times and read about it and the bearing it has on Christians living today in many places of the Bible and one thing I have never seen or even heard mentioned by anyone anywhere before this moment is "to stay in vain" . 

MAYBE just MAYBE when God said  I DID NOT create it that way,  the ONLY thing He was telling us was THAT IS NOT HOW IT WAS CREATED.  

Imagine, God writing AND meaning exactly what HE wrote.  Now, imagine taking that bit of knowledge with you throughout the WORD.  Not "assigning" a value to it, or a place or a time, just letting it NATURALLY fall into place as you gain more of His wisdom and knowledge.  We start off with a SERPENT deceiving and not till much later do we find the Serpent, the dragon, the antichrist, false prophet, beast that ascends out of the pit, the rider on the 1st white horse, the foolish shepherd, the king of Tyrus, the prince of Tyrus, the shining one, an angel of light, the prince of the power of the air, the cherub who covereth, not our rock, the deceiver, destroyer, etc. all be or of Satan. 


BUT HERE IS WHAT NO ONE WILL TOUCH they will go around it and dig under it and fly above it, but THEY WON'T CONFRONT IT.  There are very lengthy explanations about what words mean, and when what happened and and and  BUT

That Serpent in the garden
 "more subtil than any beast of the field" 
(what are WE without Gods Spirit?  natural brute beasts  ?S?) 

WAS
AT SOME TIME  

BEFORE,  PREVIOUS TO, PRECEEDING IN TIME,  EARILER,  FORMERLY, IN THE PAST, the one who

Thou sealest up the sum,
full of wisdom, and
perfect in beauty.

Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God;
every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold:
the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes

(WAS THIS  "king of Tyrus" BORN of man or woman??  NO.  HE WAS CREATED BY GOD)

was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

(LEAVING all those who wish to make this ABOUT some "human"  -  needing to go do what they do to "change the meaning" )

Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth;

and I have set thee so:

thou wast upon the holy mountain of God;

thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

Thou wast perfect in thy ways


from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

WHEN WAS THIS?


AND 

Job 38:1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

Job 38:2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

Job 38:3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
WAIT, THE FOUNDATIONS HAD TO BE LAID """"ON the earth"""" (as it was there already right?) 

So really, How could God lay the foundation OF THE EARTH, WHEN THE EARTH WAS ALREADY THERE???


WOULD SEEM THE VOID AND FORMLESS EARTH LAID ITS OWN MEASUREMENTS AND GOD JUST HAD TO WORK WITH THEM

Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

HOPEFULLY BY NOW THIS CORNER STONE ISSUE HAS BEEN PUT TO REST

Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

WHEN?   AND  WHO?   HOW MANY?   DOING WHAT? 

WHILE WHAT WAS HAPPENING? 


GIVES WHOLE NEW MEANING TO

Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

and

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. 



Job 38:8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?

NOW WHEN IN THE HEck DID THE SEA BRAKE FORTH AS IF IT HAD ISSUED OUT OF THE WOMB?  
THAT would come before
And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Job 38:9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

Job 38:10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,

Job 38:11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
Just not working the earth being covered in water and formless and void, is it?
 

Job 38:12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;

 

Job 38:13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
The day spring might take hold that the wicked might be shaken out? PAUSE, PRAY AND PONDER 

Job 38:14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.

Job 38:15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.


Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
 what is the best way to clear this up?
look in a mirror and see your "image".  
IF WE WERE ALL IN GODS IMAGE AND LIKENESS 
WE WOULD ALL LOOK THE EXACT SAME. 

REMEMBER THEM MORNING STARS,
AND ALL THE SONS OF GOD?  

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he Him; male and female created he them.

1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth

PLEASE, IF YOU DON'T AGREE, PLEASE, FOR ME, TAKE THIS SCRIPTURE AND TELL YOUR BELIEFS SO THAT WE CAN SEE THEM SIDE BY SIDE.   I LEARN THROUGH THIS VERY BASIC WAY.

NO LONG LENGTHY EXPLANATIONS, JUST NOTES AND QUICK QUESTIONS. 
SUPER EASY TO DO, AND A GREAT TIME.  

[Retrobyter]

On 12/11/2020 at 12:38 AM, DeighAnn said:

I have no idea where "that" gap theory came from or the conclusions, but it doesn't resemble what I have from the scriptures and as of yet found no scripture to dispute it and lots and lots of scripture that render it to be the only conclusion possible.   

Shabbat shalom, DeighAnn, and Happy Chanukkah!

I know this wasn't written to me; however, I have STRONG feelings for what you've written, and I believe I can help.

Your conclusion is NOT the only conclusion possible, IF you are willing honestly to consider the alternative. Have you EVER considered that the English language is just not good enough when it comes to the particulars in the Scriptures?

Furthermore, when encountering passages of Scripture, such as Jeremiah 4, you've got to understand what was going on in the passage BEFORE succumbing to the temptation to GUESS what you THINK was going on? Read it within its context. Read it in any version that makes sense to you. Read it in any version that writes what was going on in as close to conversational English as you can find. And, read it through MANY times, until the text speaks to YOU (not you trying to put it within any theological frame of reference you may already have established in your mind). Don't try to fit it into what you believe; let the text speak to YOU! And, finally, ask the Ruwach haQodesh Elohiym (the Holy Spirit of God) to help you to understand what you are reading, and ask Him without dissimulation - no ulterior motives! Read it with a sincere curiosity for what the text means, asking yourself often, "Do I really know what that (the sentence you just read) means?" 

 

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1st and foremost GOD has never failed or lost anything.  THOSE HE CREATED do all the iniquity.  He stands longsuffering and waiting so that in the very end THOSE WHO TRULY LOVE HIM and His ways will spend eternity dwelling with Him.  God could have created any kind of beings, but He created beings with free will.  They write their own story, they write their own ending.  It all comes from within.  God is waiting to step into the hearts and minds of whomsoever would, as He already is in the hearts and minds of His elect.  And why?  What does He want?
 

I believe that your sentiments and conclusions here are correct. The prophet Hoshea is  a good quote.

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It didn't start with an "assumption" it started with a verse.  

Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God Himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

WHEN the LORD THUS says "God Himself FORMED IT, and created it not in vain" and I read that in the simplest form possible, and then I go to Gen 1:2 and am told that is was "And the earth was without form, and void

I realize it is time to PRAY FOR UNDERSTANDING.  

God Himself FORMED IT  -  was without form
He created it not in vain  -  was without form, and void.  

Now I am no genius my any means,  but "was without form" as God is creating doesn't compute.  AND what would be THE POINT???  Why mention the earth without form and void?  The earth WAS ALREADY THERE. He wasn't creating it then was He?  NO,  because there was "darkness was upon the face of the deep".  And what was happening?  And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.  So God isn't  FORMING THE EARTH AT THIS TIME at all.  What is happening is HIS SPIRIT is moving upon the face of the waters ALREADY there. 

THIS is the problem, then. You've taken Yesha`yahuw's prophecy out of context and expect to be able to use this verse out of its context as though it could explain another WHOLLY different passage of Scripture? Let's look closer at Yesha`yahuw 45:18 in its context:

Yesha`yahuw ("Isaiah") 45:1-25 (KJV)

1 Thus saith the LORD to his anointed (Hebrew: limshiychow from maashiyach = "to-his-messiah"), to Cyrus (Hebrew: Koresh), whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

2 I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:

3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.

4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

5 I am the LORD (Hebrew: YHWH), and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation (deliverance; rescue), and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.

9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

10 Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth?

11 Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.

12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

13 I have raised him (Koresh/Cyrus) up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.

14 Thus saith the LORD, The labour of Egypt, and merchandise of Ethiopia and of the Sabeans, men of stature (tall men), shall come over unto thee, and they shall be thine: they shall come after thee; in chains they shall come over, and they shall fall down unto thee, they shall make supplication unto thee, saying, Surely God is in thee; and there is none else, there is no God.

15 Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour (Deliverer; Rescuer).

16 They shall be ashamed, and also confounded, all of them: they shall go to confusion together that are makers of idols.

17 But Israel shall be saved (delivered; rescued) in the LORD with an everlasting salvation (deliverance; rescue): ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.

20 Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save.

21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

22 Look unto me, and be ye saved (delivered; rescued), all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

24 Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

25 In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

Here's the specific Hebrew of verse 18:

18 Kiy koh aamar YHWH, bowree' hashaamayim huw' haa'Elohiym yotseer haa'aarets v`oshaah huw' kownnaah lo'-tohuw braa'aah laaseVet ytsaaraah: "Aniy YHWH v'eeyn `owd."

18 Kiy = 18 For/That/When
koh = thus/here
aamar = says
YHWH, = ADONAY/"the-LORD",
bowree' = Creator
hashaamayim = of-the-skies (dual)
huw' = He-who-[is]
haa'Elohiym = the-God
yotseer = [who]-fashioned
haa'aarets = the-Land/earth
v`oshaah = and-made-it
huw' = He-who
kownnaah = made-it-firm
lo'- = not
tohuw = formless
braa'aah = who-did-create-it
laaseVet = to-be-inhabited
ytsaaraah: = who-fashioned-it:
"Aniy = "I-[am]
YHWH = ADONAY/"the-LORD"
v'eeyn = and-nothing
`owd." = beside-[Me]."

See, you've read this verse nebulously as though the whole passage, even the whole verse 18, as though it was to be taken globally, even universally, and that's just NOT THE CASE! He was SPECIFICALLY talking about the LAND ("Haa'aarets") of Israel!

 

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IN THE DARK.  Sound like anything else we have read??  
Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
 

Again, Jeremiah 4:23 is talking about Yirmeyahuw ("Jeremiah") experiencing Nebuchadnezzar's army taking almost all of the inhabitants of Israel captive to Babylon and leaving the Land of Israel burned and devoid of life!

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DID YOU EVER think that this was happening in "darkness" here before??  Me neither.  

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Job 38:8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?

Job 38:9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

Job 38:10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,

No, again, this is talking about the REFORMING of the earth after the Global Flood of Noach's day! To ESTABLISH the foundations so that they will no longer be moved, to shut up the sea with doors, to make the clouds, and to establish boundaries that the waves could not cross in force to completely wash over the continents were ALL done AFTER THE FLOOD!

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Which animal, past or present is this describing?  

Job 40:15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.

Job 40:16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.

Job 40:17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

Job 40:18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.

Job 40:19 He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.

Now me, tail like a cedar, I know of only one animal God created with a tail like a cedar and it is EXTINCT, died in the ice age. a tiny here a little, there a little, but why is God describing the dinasour? 
 

That's simple! Because the apatosaur (once called the "brontosaur"), the brachiosaur, and the diplodocus SURVIVED the Flood, being some of the many animals that were PRESENT ON THE ARK! They only had to be old enough to be able to reproduce and thus were much smaller than the older forms of which fossils have been found.

They lived BESIDE HUMAN BEINGS, as evidenced by MANY cave drawings! There's also the legend of the Moleke-mbembe that lived along the Congo River. They were hunted to extinction, because many of them, like the lions and tigers, had BECOME carnivores after the Flood. And, we have RECORD (Genesis 10:8-10) of the exploits of Nimrod, a "mighty hunter before the LORD" who took SPORT in hunting these animals to extinction!

Chapter 41 also talks of a sea-going dinosaur that was probably the mosasaur.

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Deuteronomy 32:31 For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges. For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter: Their wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps. Is not this laid up in store with me, and sealed up among my treasures?

Ezekiel 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus,(rock) and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; 

Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so:
thou wast upon the holy mountain of God;
thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

(I'LL just bet this lasted for a long long time, that is my opinion). 

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?


And what DOES the VERY NEXT Verse STATE (after Isa 45:18)

Isaiah 45:19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.

Once again, no genius here, but WHAT A TIME FOR A DECLARATION FROM GOD!!!  

NOW, IF GOD DID NOT WIPE OUT SATAN, WHY WOULD HE WIPE OUT all the souls who however long ago were shouting for joy?  They were the "deceived" ones.

Well, contrary to your opinion, He did NOT "wipe out Satan" nor "all the souls who however long ago were shouting for joy." You're once again reading into the Scriptures things that JUST ARE NOT THERE AND ARE JUST NOT TRUE!!!

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God loves us. We are His creation. We are His sons.  His children.  NO, he didn't wipe out an entire "batch" of souls so as to start over.  (I think there is a promise made somewhere about this somehow)

The former things are not remembered.  He put us into flesh bodies, (which He repented of, neither here nor there for right now), for us to stand before Him with US having our responsibility for ourselves.  We will have either chosen the Lord or not.  He has given us free will.  Up to us.

Hopefully you can see, I assumed close to nothing.  And there is more.  Quite a bit as a matter of fact.  So please, go check it out yourself.  And please IF EVER you find scripture that you feel is in conflict with this, LET ME KNOW.  I am open to all of Gods Truth and if someday someone can show me scripture that directly refutes it all and answers the questions that would come up because of it, let me know.

I've shown you Scriptures that do not support your theory, and I've shown how the Scriptures that you THINK support your theory DO NOT, IN FACT, DO SO! Are you truly willing to re-analyze your thinking or are you BENT on sticking to your notions?

Edited December 13, 2020 by Retrobyter
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[Frits]

On 12/12/2020 at 9:14 AM, DeighAnn said:

Seriously, I just need to SEE it in GODS WORD.  I have read it many times and read about it and the bearing it has on Christians living today in many places of the Bible and one thing I have never seen or even heard mentioned by anyone anywhere before this moment is "to stay in vain" . 

**The Name YHWH means 'I AM GOD', and 'I CAUSE TO BE'.      
Let us not forget that our Lord God is the great Creator he does not use wizarding techniques, by the snap of his finger everything is like paradise. He causes.
Besides, our Father the Most High God in heaven had only ONE goal for creation: The Lord Jesus Christ, God out of man.

So in the beginning God creating the earth seminal means half of his work.
Only after fashioning the earth with flora and fauna Genesis repeatly says 'and, behold, it was good.'
Ann for you wanting 'to SEE it in GODS WORD', please take a view at Genesis 2:3 it contains the answer:  "And God blessed the seventh day, and hallowed it; because that in it he rested from all his work which God had created and made." Created and made.
First he gave (created) the earth form, then he completed his work. (made)**

MAYBE just MAYBE when God said  I DID NOT create it that way,  the ONLY thing He was telling us was THAT IS NOT HOW IT WAS CREATED.  

Imagine, God writing AND meaning exactly what HE wrote.  Now, imagine taking that bit of knowledge with you throughout the WORD.  Not "assigning" a value to it, or a place or a time, just letting it NATURALLY fall into place as you gain more of His wisdom and knowledge.  We start off with a SERPENT deceiving and not till much later do we find the Serpent, the dragon, the antichrist, false prophet, beast that ascends out of the pit, the rider on the 1st white horse,

**the rider on the 1st white horse  -  Does not belong in this list of examples.**

the foolish shepherd, the king of Tyrus, the prince of Tyrus, the shining one, an angel of light, the prince of the power of the air, the cherub who covereth, not our rock, the deceiver, destroyer, etc. all be or of Satan. 


BUT HERE IS WHAT NO ONE WILL TOUCH they will go around it and dig under it and fly above it, but THEY WON'T CONFRONT IT. 

**Here is the confontation:
Tyrus is description of satan, once being on the Mountain of God in higher heaven. God created Lucifer, but having free will this angel brought forth iniquity IN HIMSELF, apart from God he - automatically - became satan! ( 'till iniquity was found in thee' Ez.28:15)
In all that the Lord God has made and accomplished He never used violence, violence is not the way of God (Matthew 11:29)
Satan used violence and left God's way! (Ez.28:16)**

There are very lengthy explanations about what words mean, and when what happened and and and  BUT

That Serpent in the garden
 "more subtil than any beast of the field" 
(what are WE without Gods Spirit?  natural brute beasts  ?S?) 

**Even after the fall, people did not become devils.**

WAS
AT SOME TIME  

BEFORE,  PREVIOUS TO, PRECEEDING IN TIME,  EARILER,  FORMERLY, IN THE PAST, the one who

Thou sealest up the sum,
full of wisdom, and
perfect in beauty.

Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God;
every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold:
the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes

(WAS THIS  "king of Tyrus" BORN of man or woman??  NO.  HE WAS CREATED BY GOD)

was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

(LEAVING all those who wish to make this ABOUT some "human"  -  needing to go do what they do to "change the meaning" )

Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth;

and I have set thee so:

thou wast upon the holy mountain of God;

thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

Thou wast perfect in thy ways


from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

WHEN WAS THIS?

**When this very strong and important arch-angel had to serve his younger 'brother' Adam still on earth to guide him to the throne of the Lord God. The angel Lucifer was older, wiser, stronger, heavenly and perfect, compared to this Adam pulled out of the clay.

The devil didn't believe that God was able to finally accomplish Adam (humanity) to become a heavenly being. (Jer.32:27) **

AND 

Job 38:1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

Job 38:2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

Job 38:3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
WAIT, THE FOUNDATIONS HAD TO BE LAID """"ON the earth"""" (as it was there already right?) 

So really, How could God lay the foundation OF THE EARTH, WHEN THE EARTH WAS ALREADY THERE???


WOULD SEEM THE VOID AND FORMLESS EARTH LAID ITS OWN MEASUREMENTS AND GOD JUST HAD TO WORK WITH THEM

Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

HOPEFULLY BY NOW THIS CORNER STONE ISSUE HAS BEEN PUT TO REST

Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

WHEN?   AND  WHO?   HOW MANY?   DOING WHAT? 

WHILE WHAT WAS HAPPENING? 


GIVES WHOLE NEW MEANING TO

Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

and

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. 



Job 38:8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?

NOW WHEN IN THE HEck DID THE SEA BRAKE FORTH AS IF IT HAD ISSUED OUT OF THE WOMB?  
THAT would come before
And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Job 38:9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

Job 38:10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,

Job 38:11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
Just not working the earth being covered in water and formless and void, is it?
 

Job 38:12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;

 

Job 38:13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
The day spring might take hold that the wicked might be shaken out? PAUSE, PRAY AND PONDER 

Job 38:14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.

Job 38:15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.


Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
 what is the best way to clear this up?
look in a mirror and see your "image".  
IF WE WERE ALL IN GODS IMAGE AND LIKENESS 
WE WOULD ALL LOOK THE EXACT SAME. 

REMEMBER THEM MORNING STARS,
AND ALL THE SONS OF GOD?  

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he Him; male and female created he them.

1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth

PLEASE, IF YOU DON'T AGREE, PLEASE, FOR ME, TAKE THIS SCRIPTURE AND TELL YOUR BELIEFS SO THAT WE CAN SEE THEM SIDE BY SIDE.   I LEARN THROUGH THIS VERY BASIC WAY.

NO LONG LENGTHY EXPLANATIONS, JUST NOTES AND QUICK QUESTIONS. 
SUPER EASY TO DO, AND A GREAT TIME.  

 

@DeighAnn
Sis thank you for your sensible proposal: "Take this scripture and tell your beliefs so that we can see them side by side. I learn through this very basic way." "Super easy to do, and a great time." You were right, I really enjoyed helping you to find answers!
For the sake of clarity, I will not answer all questions (yet), but limit myself to half.

I put my answers between stars (** - **), hopefully you don't blame me for typing between your text.

May the Lord our God Jesus Christ bless you!

Edited December 14, 2020 by Frits

[Frits]

On 12/13/2020 at 8:22 AM, Retrobyter said:

Happy Chanukkah!

@Retrobyter

Sorry, Retrobyter but like so much of your theory, this is nowhere in the Holy Bible.  For that reason it goes in the trash!