What is a "soul?"

[enoob57]

30 minutes ago, rhomphaeam said:

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Can I ask you @enoob57 to read this extract from Wycliffe's Middle English Bible (archaic) that has been updated to modern English and tell me where the contradiction to doctrine, truth, necessity of prophetic meaning or revealed Scriptural truth according to Canonical meanings lies? I am not asking to be contentious. I have a good reason for asking and so if you read this short extract taken from non canonical truth and answer the question based on revealed truth then there may be a way to say something that gives meaning to why the Scripture ought not to include this extract for example - along with other similar Apocryphal extracts. 

I simply dwell upon the foundation of God...
defined:
2 Timothy 3:15-17 (KJV) [15] And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
[17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

this is so concise to the source alone that can perfect us to usefulness unto God...

[Alive]

22 hours ago, Frits said:

@Alive

That the writers of the NT 'read stuff' is too vague for me.
It is nonsense and completely irrelevant that these 'things' would have shaped their opinion and understanding as a kind of "additional light".

1) It is nowhere verifiable in the Bible, that says enough.

2) The authors of the NT have written the 27 books (NT - canon). They needed nothing more than the personal teaching of the Lord Jesus and the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.  None of them needed anonymous sources that contained 'stuff'.

 3) The greatest writer of the NT was Paul and he was not appreciative of the information from the Jewish tradition or the unbiblical content of eg the Talmud.  On the contrary!  Paul considered every knowledge 'and stuff', other than the knowledge he received from the Lord Jesus "damage" and "dung".  (Phil.3: 8)

I am not sure why you have a problem with what I wrote. You understand that the writers didn't know that they were writing chapters for a bible, that would be compiled later. They were writing letters to specific local churches or general letters to be distributed. Of course the Lord was involved, but those men were not robots where the pen was controlled or their minds co-opted by God while writing. They were human men and they were learned to relative degrees and informed by things they read that were available to them at the time. They did not exist in a vacuum--just as you and I aren't. Are you aware that both Jude and Peter quoted from the book of Enoch?

They read this stuff. Scholars indicate that even Jesus used material that was commonly read by the folks of that time in order to communicate. One example of that is the parable of Lazarus and the rich man. Jesus was a carpenter and some apostles were fishermen. Jesus borrowed from these things to communicate--to get points across to them. They were--none of them existing in a vacuum.

This is simple common sense sort of stuff---IMO. It does no injustice to the canon. It does no injustice to the scriptures we all believe God has preserved for our benefit.

[Alive]

My brethren are in God's very capable hands and He is well able to "keep them until that day"--I trust this as a matter of fact. As far as what is both edifying on the one hand for my brethren and myself as well as toward those who are yet unsaved---I preach and teach the Cross, Resurrection and Ascension. I seem to have been formed to keep those things simple.

:-)

The rest is at times both interesting and captivating to one degree or another over time.

Many years ago--I wielded a double barreled 'doctrine gun'. One barrel choked full and another fully open.

I gave that up...yet always changing and always learning. To add: I went through a time of reflection of what I believed and how I cacme to believe those things. At the end of that years long exercise (still working, actually)--it rendered down to some few things of vital importance both me-ward and out-ward.

So many things to argue and not enough time or energy.

Alive chuckles to himself for obvious cleverness.

:-)

[Alive]

To add: I do not speak from authority on anything but the Cross.

Actually--I don't really care. I wish that we all Love one another as we Love ourselves.

I think that very much is pleasant to our Lord...isn't it a nice thought that He would be pleased?

[Alive]

6 minutes ago, rhomphaeam said:

As a matter of eternity we are all in God's very capable hands. Yet one day a man of Sin will arise and lead many astray - if possible even the elect. I am saving my double barrel shot gun for that day. So Im being really nice right now. 

Yes--as Patrick Swayse so eloquently stated--"be nice until its time to not be nice".

They asked him, "how will we know'? He replied, "you won't--I will tell you when".

A parable taken from the environment.

[enoob57]

2 hours ago, rhomphaeam said:

So may I ask brother, given that a significant portion of the New Testament Canon was not written at the time when Paul wrote these words to Timothy does that mean that we can dispense with the unwritten portion?

As God utilizing Paul to speaking through but not limited to Paul yet fully engaging Paul... I believe God was speaking of all times: OT Scriptures, letters being circulated at that time and the completed canon of Scripture yet to come...

2 hours ago, rhomphaeam said:

Or perhaps it may be reasonable to ask which precise Scripture was Timothy able to read from his childhood?

answered above

2 hours ago, rhomphaeam said:

That was likely about a decade after the death of Christ when Timothy was born and perhaps two decades when he was reading Scripture as Paul indicates was able to save him! 

The perspective focus of God's Word must be upon God without this worlds restraints for it is God wanting to reason with us 
Isa 1:18-20

18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:

20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
KJV

as we know the OT was exemplified
OT here alone
John 5:39-40
39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
KJV

John 17:14-20

14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
KJV
The intent of God seems very evident 'HIS WORD' OT and NT as John passage above indicates NT to be written    20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

[Alive]

I recall a simpler time (for me and my cohorts) we were referred to as Jesus Freaks back in the 70's. We loved the Lord as simple children with our many failings. We preached on the streets and parks passing out tracts and pocket NTs. Souls were saved. We practiced baptizing and love feasts--singing and reading scriptures. We didn't belong to any 'church' but visited many. We saw and experienced the Lord all over in His children. One of the most memorable was fellowshipping with Franciscan monks--wonderful folks. They were at the time dipping toes in the 'charismatic' movement of the day.

Division never entered our childish minds--that came later.

The lesson here--is that the Lord is not always as offended as we are.

"For God so, so, so, so loved the world.......

[Alive]

I reckon this thread has suffered some thread drift. Such is the way of things.

About a decade ago, in a home church environment, there was coming a 'division' revolving around an individual who thought more of himself that he ought to have. It was incremental. For myself, I had had a long history with this individual. Details there aren't necessary. I knew him well-as well as any person can know another, I suppose.

Anyway, prior to those events when the Lord told me to leave the fellowship, but to bear whatever was said about me as a result with silence... he had given me a dream.

This is that dream......

-----There was a great field and in that field were a great many bodies that had been dismembered in the most heinous fashion. Parts and pieces all over. As I was looking at the scene a word came to my mind that described it. It was a word that has no human equivalent, but was a combination of things like horror, disgust and atrocity. I didn't know the word then and I haven't since, but it was a powerful impression. Very powerful and impossible to describe. I woke like a shot from a cannon and said, "Lord, what the heck was that". He said, "that is how I feel when I see my body divided".

The impact that lesson had on me can't be overstated.--------

I believe he gave me that dream in His Mercy to prepare me for that day.

A few days after I announced my leaving, one of the young brothers came to my house and berated me quite fiercely. His Grace allowed me to remain silent, but the Lord spoke to me in that moment and said two things--"beware of the root of bitterness and don't build a case against your brethren".

Those events have served me well since. The Lord is Good.

 

[enoob57]

anything outside of God's Word that suggest more is needed outside of Scripture is error as stated by God:
 

John 17:14-20

14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
KJV
 

2 Tim 3:14-17

14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
KJV
 

[Alive]

2 minutes ago, rhomphaeam said:

Thats very vivid and truly sobering. 

I have long wished to know that 'word', but I suspect that the LOrd has insulated me.

The 'impression' looking at the scene is ---well--not possible to explain.

The result that I think the Lord intended is real...avoid when possible and desire to be a 'peacemaker'.