What is a "soul?"

[DeighAnn]

4 minutes ago, Waggles said:

James 5:19  My brethren, if any among you err from the truth, and one convert him; 
5:20  know that who converts a sinner from the error of his way shall save his soul from death, and shall cover a multitude of sins. 

soul = G5590 ψυχή  psuchē
From G5594; breath, that is, (by implication) spirit, abstractly or concretely (the animal sentient principle only; thus distinguished on the one hand from G4151, which is the rational and immortal soul; and on the other from G2222, which is mere vitality, even of plants: these terms thus exactly correspond respectively to the Hebrew [H5315], [H7307] and [H2416]: - heart (+ -ily), life, mind, soul, + us, + you.
Total KJV occurrences: 104

soul = body + consciousness (our spirit)  

1Cor 2:11  For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

Hebrews 13:1 Let brotherly love continue.

Hebrews 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
 

Genesis 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

Genesis 19:2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.

Genesis 19:3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.

Genesis 19:4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

Genesis 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

Genesis 19:6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

Genesis 19:7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

Genesis 19:8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

Genesis 19:9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.

Genesis 19:10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.

Genesis 19:11 And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

Genesis 19:12 And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place:

Genesis 19:13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.

Genesis 19:14 And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the LORD will destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law.


And what about the fallen angels that were the fathers of the giants?  

Thoughts?

[Retrobyter]

1 hour ago, Riverwalker said:

No we are not the body. The body is just the earth suit we used to interact with the physical world.  We are Spirits, we possess a soul (mind will and emotion)  and we live in a body. a body of corrupt flesh that cannot and will not be redeemed. 

Shalom, Riverwalker.

I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but that is NOT what the Word of God says! What you are expressing is a PHILOSOPHY, a THEOLOGICAL OPINION! There's not a SHRED of Scriptural evidence that backs up what you are saying.

The very word "soul" is the translation of the Hebrew word "nefesh," which comes from the Hebrew root verb form "naafash":

5315 nefesh (neh'-fesh). From naafash; properly, A BREATHING CREATURE, i.e. Animal of (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental)
-- any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, X dead(-ly), desire, X (dis-)contented, X fish, ghost, + greedy, he, heart(-y), (hath, X jeopardy of) life (X in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortally, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-)self, them (your)-selves, + slay, soul, + tablet, they, thing, (X she) will, X would have it.

5414 naafash (naw-fash'). A primitive root; TO BREATHE; passively, TO BE BREATHED UPON, i.e. (figuratively) refreshed (as if by a current of air)
-- (be) refresh selves (-ed).

And, that is PRECISELY how the word was used in Genesis 2:7!

Genesis 2:7 (KJV)

7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living SOUL.

Breeshiyt 2:7 (transliterated Hebrew)

7 Vayiytser YHWH Elohiym et haa'aadaam `aafaar min-haa'adaamaah vayippach b'appaayow nishmat chayiym vayhiy haa'aadaam l-NEFESH chayyaah.

7 Vayiytser = 7 And-formed
YHWH = God's name, YHWH; "the LORD"
Elohiym = God
et = (the next word is the direct object)
haa'aadaam = the-red-[man] (m.)
`aafaar = of-dust
min- = from-
haa'adaamaah = the-red-[ground] (f.)
vayippach = and-puffed
b'appaayow = in-his-nostrils
nishmat = a-puff
chayiym = of-living-[thing]s
vayhiy = and-became
haa'aadaam = the-red-[man]
l-NEFESH = into-A BREATHING CREATURE
chayyaah. = living.

Where did you think the idea for CPR came from?

Now, listen to the curse PRECISELY:

Genesis 3:17-19 (KJV)

17 And unto Adam he said,

"Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, 'Thou shalt not eat of it': cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, TILL THOU RETURN UNTO THE GROUND; for OUT OF IT WAST THOU TAKEN: FOR DUST THOU ART, AND UNTO DUST SHALT THOU RETURN.

Many people try to explain this by saying that God "meant Adam's BODY would return to the ground and return to dust," but that is NOT what was said here!

"Thou" was just the singular form of "you" in the 1600s when the King James Version (KJV) of the Bible was written, and the verbs adjusted accordingly. Today's English would say, "until you return unto the ground; for out of it were you taken: for dust you are, and unto dust shall you return." We'd even change word order to be "until you return unto the ground; for you were taken out of it: for you are dust, and you shall return unto dust." "YOU," not "YOUR BODY!"

1 hour ago, Riverwalker said:

On resurrection day The earth will be new, the heavens will be new and our bodies will be new

Well, that's not right, either. On OUR resurrection day, when the Lord Yeshua` the Messiah returns, that will be at the BEGINNING of His reign from Jerusalem. The earth and its skies don't become new until AFTER the first 1,000 years of His reign and AFTER the Great White Throne Judgment at the end of the first 1,000 years of His reign. You condensed these points a little too much, thinking they happen at the same time.

1 hour ago, Riverwalker said:

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a [m]mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

But the bible says we are already seated in heavenly places with God. From the time we die, to resurrection we exist as spirits

No, actually it doesn't. What it say is this:

Ephesians 1:3-14 (KJV)

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places IN CHRIST: 4 According as he hath chosen us IN HIM before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted IN THE BELOVED. 7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; 8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; 9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed IN HIMSELF: 10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things IN CHRIST, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even IN HIM: 11 IN WHOM also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted IN CHRIST. 13 IN WHOM ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the earnest (down payment) of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

We are only "there" IN HIM! We're not literally there, yet. Since HE'S THERE, then we who are IN HIM, are there with Him in His presence. Furthermore, we were SEALED with the Holy Spirit of promise, the DOWN PAYMENT of our inheritance UNTIL God redeems the purchased possession, us!

This is repeated in another place within Ephesians; each time, there is a qualifier:

Ephesians 2:4-7 (KJV)

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together WITH CHRIST, (by grace ye are saved;) 6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places IN CHRIST JESUS: 7 That IN THE AGES TO COME he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us THROUGH CHRIST JESUS.

1 hour ago, Riverwalker said:

2 Corinthians 5:8

We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

Yes, but you DON'T know HOW LONG after being "absent from the body" we will be "present with the Lord." Furthermore, that is the "body of Christ," not us as bodies! 

[Waggles]

7 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

And what about the fallen angels that were the fathers of the giants?  

Thoughts?

Sorry I am not getting this ... 

angels are spirit beings created by God -  

somewhere I think there is a reference that the Nephilim do not have souls.

[Riverwalker]

4 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Yes, but you DON'T know HOW LONG after being "absent from the body"

I am not going to bother answering that wall of text. Because the bible is very clear that we were created in the image of God....and God is is a spirit

there is no time delay...if you are absent from the body, you are present with the Lord

The very fact that Paul tells we can be separated body in the word God, is proof that we are NOT the body

 

[Waggles]

Matthew 22:28  In the resurrection, therefore, of the seven, whose wife will she be? For they all had her.
22:29  But Jesus answered them, “You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God. 
22:30  For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. 

Luke 20:34  And Jesus said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage, 
20:35  but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and to the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage, 
20:36  for they cannot die anymore, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. 

Matthew 13:43  Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

[Waggles]

Good informative video on consciousness being beyond the physiology of the brain - that the brain is not the seat of our will 

 

Edited April 19, 2021 by Alive
video link in wrong forum

[Retrobyter]

12 hours ago, Waggles said:

Sorry I am not getting this ... 

angels are spirit beings created by God -  

somewhere I think there is a reference that the Nephilim do not have souls.

Shalom, Waggles and @DeighAnn.

You're not understanding because you don't understand Hebrew. That's all.

5303 nfiyliym (plural) (nef-eel-eem'). Or nfiyl (singular) {nef-eel'}; from naafal; properly, a FELLER, i.e. A bully or tyrant
-- giant.

5307 naafal (naw-fal'). A primitive root; TO FALL, in a great variety of applications (intransitive or causative, literal or figurative)
-- be accepted, cast (down, self, (lots), out), cease, die, divide (by lot), (let) fail, (cause to, let, make, ready to) fall (away, down, -en, -ing), fell(-ing), fugitive, have (inheritance), inferior, be judged (by mistake for palal), lay (along), (cause to) lie down, light (down), be (X hast) lost, lying, overthrow, overwhelm, perish, present(-ed, -ing), (make to) rot, slay, smite out, X surely, throw down.

The word "hanfiliym" (Genesis 6:4) is the plural of "n'fiyl" with the definite article prefix attached. It simply means a "wood cutter," a "lumberjack!" It's not a race of men or angels, it's an OCCUPATION! They CAN be "bullies or tyrants," but they were just big men ("giants"), capable of cutting down trees for lumber.

And, yes, lumberjacks are "souls" ("air-breathers"), too!

[Waggles]

29 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

The word "hanfiliym" (Genesis 6:4) is the plural of "n'fiyl" with the definite article prefix attached. It simply means a "wood cutter," a "lumberjack!" It's not a race of men or angels, it's an OCCUPATION! They CAN be "bullies or tyrants," but they were just big men ("giants"), capable of cutting down trees for lumber.

You are far too literal in your approach to scripture. You read academically but without understanding.  Genesis 6:4 has nothing to do with lumberjacks and God did not destroy the Biblical world because of lumberjacks cutting down trees. 

Genesis 6:4

(DRB)  Now giants were upon the earth in those days. For after the sons of God went in to the daughters of men, and they brought forth children, these are the mighty men of old, men of renown.

(YLT)  The fallen ones were in the earth in those days, and even afterwards when sons of God come in unto daughters of men, and they have borne to them—they are the heroes, who, from of old, are the men of name.

(ESV)  The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.

Numbers 13:32  And they sent out an evil report of the land which they had spied out to the sons of Israel, saying, The land into which we passed, to spy it out, is a land eating up the ones living in it. And all the people we saw in its midst were men of stature. 
13:33  And we saw the giants there, the sons of Anak, of the giants. And we were in our own eyes as grasshoppers, and so we were in their eyes.

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Waggles and @DeighAnn.

You're not understanding because you don't understand Hebrew. That's all.

5303 nfiyliym (plural) (nef-eel-eem'). Or nfiyl (singular) {nef-eel'}; from naafal; properly, a FELLER, i.e. A bully or tyrant
-- giant.

5307 naafal (naw-fal'). A primitive root; TO FALL, in a great variety of applications (intransitive or causative, literal or figurative)
-- be accepted, cast (down, self, (lots), out), cease, die, divide (by lot), (let) fail, (cause to, let, make, ready to) fall (away, down, -en, -ing), fell(-ing), fugitive, have (inheritance), inferior, be judged (by mistake for palal), lay (along), (cause to) lie down, light (down), be (X hast) lost, lying, overthrow, overwhelm, perish, present(-ed, -ing), (make to) rot, slay, smite out, X surely, throw down.

The word "hanfiliym" (Genesis 6:4) is the plural of "n'fiyl" with the definite article prefix attached. It simply means a "wood cutter," a "lumberjack!" It's not a race of men or angels, it's an OCCUPATION! They CAN be "bullies or tyrants," but they were just big men ("giants"), capable of cutting down trees for lumber.

And, yes, lumberjacks are "souls" ("air-breathers"), too!

EVEN IF you believe God is talking about lumberjacks and trees, you must REALIZE that that is THE LETTER of what is written. We can all see that.  But what we know it that is not the spiritual story.  SO

WHAT do your SPIRITUAL EYES TELL YOU?

The Word introduces 'mighty' men, who produce 'giants' as their offspring causing GOD to flood the earth, and it's just about regular men, and that is your comfort zone?  But what about when it is added to 'women having to keep their heads covered'?  and angels leaving their habitation?  and 'just those' reserved in chains?  Being told Satan and his angels are being cast to earth doesn't bring all of that together? sad  
It really all comes down to the same thing over and over, the letter vs spirit. 

I do understand what the letter of it says.  I completely understand the Hebrew words. I understand their definitions.  I agree that is as the letter reads.  But I don't agree that is what it says.  

I am not in agreement with THAT being THE MESSAGE GOD is GIVING. 

It isn't the CARNAL read of it that is causing the problem, it is the SPIRITUAL read.  

AGAIN,  I have NO PROBLEM or a lack of understanding and I am very able to read it just as you do, I got understanding on structure and definitions and the laws of language.  I understand how GOD uses those 'laws' of language and even purposely breaks them to bring attention and pauses throughout our  studies  

 What TRUTHS do you SPIRITUAL EYES  SEE?? 

Just like Jesus speaking in parables, they heard the words but the message didn't get through.  

 I know this is the 3rd time i am asking this same question

but that is so this is the question that is addressed

(and I do not receive a response that addresses some other context error or scripture problem or definition understanding)


WHAT IS THE SPIRITUAL MESSAGE????? 

 

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, Waggles said:

You are far too literal in your approach to scripture. You read academically but without understanding.  Genesis 6:4 has nothing to do with lumberjacks and God did not destroy the Biblical world because of lumberjacks cutting down trees. 

Genesis 6:4

(DRB)  Now giants were upon the earth in those days. For after the sons of God went in to the daughters of men, and they brought forth children, these are the mighty men of old, men of renown.

(YLT)  The fallen ones were in the earth in those days, and even afterwards when sons of God come in unto daughters of men, and they have borne to them—they are the heroes, who, from of old, are the men of name.

(ESV)  The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.

Numbers 13:32  And they sent out an evil report of the land which they had spied out to the sons of Israel, saying, The land into which we passed, to spy it out, is a land eating up the ones living in it. And all the people we saw in its midst were men of stature. 
13:33  And we saw the giants there, the sons of Anak, of the giants. And we were in our own eyes as grasshoppers, and so we were in their eyes.

I wish I read this first!