What is a "soul?"

[DeighAnn]

12 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Thanks DeighAnn! What do you think or how are we made in His image?

We have the two parts- dirt / body, and the air / spirit side.

How are these parts contributing to His image?

Charlie

Proverbs 20:27 The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.

5397 neshamah

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.




of life 2416 chay  503 occurrences
age
503 occurrences

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
age, alive, appetite, wild beast, company, congregation, lifetime, lively,
From chayah; alive; hence, raw (flesh); fresh (plant, water, year), strong; also (as noun, especially in the feminine singular and masculine plural) life (or living thing), whether literally or figuratively -- + age, alive, appetite, (wild) beast, company, congregation, life(-time), live(-ly), living (creature, thing), maintenance, + merry, multitude, + (be) old, quick, raw, running, springing, troop.

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Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

 5315  nephesh 
Strong's Concordance
nephesh: a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion
Original Word: נֶפֶשׁ
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: nephesh
Phonetic Spelling: (neh'-fesh)
Definition: a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion


I am kinda trying to stay out of it for now as I seem to mostly have a different take on things 

[DeighAnn]

This doesn't seem to help, yet it does.


Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.


 

'HOST' of them were finished and we know they were not here on earth, so where were they?  

 
Strong's Concordance
tsaba: army, war, warfare
Original Word: צָבָא
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: tsaba
Phonetic Spelling: (tsaw-baw')
Definition: army, war, warfare

[Charlie744]

2 minutes ago, electlady said:

like angelic bodies.

Forgive me but that won't work... then I would have to ask you what are angelic bodies and ......

And by the way, this is exactly why there are many disagreements on this particular subject - it is not only quite complicated but in many ways impossible to put into words and comprehend just what this non-physical spirit thing is..

But I might offer would is also a very weak attempt to describe this "spirit body" that God breathed into Adam... If God is both body and spirit - and to this I look straight at Jesus - He was both body and spirit.... this means if we are made in His image - we are to look, feel, think, etc., all the same as Jesus did.... This does NOT mean we will become exactly like Jesus because He is God! But He made us in HIS IMAGE - a very unique creation LIKE Him but certainly not Him. The angels were NOT made like Him- they were not made in His image - they are not a "living soul".

So, what is this "spirit body" part of us?  It is a part of His essence or spirit that makes us this unique creation = There is absolutely nothing in God or part of God or anything to do with God that is anything BUT HOLY. So if God is going to breath something in Him it has to be good.... it must be special to make this piece of dirt special and not just like the animals that exist and breath air.....  

If God breathed this "essence" of Him into Adam (and I believe He did), then the only thing that could affect this is WE were to introduce or bring near something this "essence" can not tolerate or exist with - and that one thing is sin! 

And once Adam sinned, this "essence / spirit" from God could not exist any longer with Adam and it left him and returned to God.....

God now could no longer be in the presence of Adam since he had lost this God given "essence / spirit". He was removed from the Garden where sin can not accept.

Almost immediately, God designed a Plan where man COULD have this "essence / spirit" restored within him - Pentecost. No amount of good deeds or works or trying to obey His commandments will ever restore this "essence / spirit".... man can not give this to man... only God has the ability to make something Holy.... and this "essence / spirit" breathed into Adam was a part of God's Holiness - but we lost it! 

So I would ask you for your thought on this - or anyone else's .... I am more than sure that I will be on a very small island here but that is okay... I am more than comfortable with this at this time..... Charlie

[Your closest friendnt]

26 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Ok and I think we are both standing at the same place and time in this discussion... 

Ok so what do you believe this “spiritual body” is that God breathed into Adam?

 

God made man a spiritual being like him and put him in an earthly body, so man can live in the body and continue to live after the his body dies. 

Man can live like his maker without his physical body. 

When man dies physically he continues to live without the physical body, just like his maker who lived without a physical body.

 

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Charlie744 said:

Ok and I think we are both standing at the same place and time in this discussion... 

Ok so what do you believe this “spiritual body” is that God breathed into Adam?

 

Man at first was a spiritual being living in the physical body and in the Life of God. 

But when Man disobeyed he continued to live without the Life of God in him.

That what departed from Adam when he disobeyed the Life of God.

But Adam still was a Spiritual being living in the body.

Co-existing with the Physical Man who one day the phycical man will die but the Spiritual man will continue to live but away from God because when Adam disobeyed God he change he stopped being alive to God and he began to be in death with the death Inheritance after death. 

While man lived before he died he was a free agent and as he was in the death Inheritance he could worship and fellowship with God or God was free to offer his fellowship to man but this time from a distance because the bond man had with God was gone whith Adam's disobedience.

Man now was in death and not in the Life of God.

This is the fall from the life unto death. 

He obeyed the one who had the sting of death, man became his captive.

Just like when we put a bait and we catch a fish and we take in our Captivity. 

Man was taken captive by the Devil.

The devil did not make Man but he ended having in his possession the first couple and all their descendants after them.

The descendants of Adam inherited death from him, they were born in death.

While they live they were free to worship God and God could give his fellowship to man but when they died everyone were taken away from God to the place of the dead, even those who were close to God.  While they lived the lived unto God till the time when they died, at which time with their death Hades the God of the dead comes to Harvest them. 

This can be seen in Abel, who was borned in death and lived unto God a self righteous man without any disobedience towards God but when he died God said that Abel is not with him. 

Edited May 2, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

[DeighAnn]

52 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

.. If God is both body and spirit - and to this I look straight at Jesus -

THAT'S MY POINT

The WORD was with God and the WORD was God.  

Until the WORD was made flesh, He had no image.

I do not know if God has an image but regardless the Word didn't. 

So WHO is the 'OUR'?  

[Charlie744]

1 minute ago, DeighAnn said:

THAT'S MY POINT

The WORD was with God and the WORD was God.  

Until the WORD was made flesh, He had no image.

I do not know if God has an image but regardless the Word didn't. 

So WHO is the 'OUR'?  

Does the Scripture offer the answer to this?

in the name of the.....

Charlie

[Your closest friendnt]

"The seed of the woman will crush your head and you will bruised his heel.".

The seed of the woman was a man with the Life of God in him. 

The Life came into the world in the Likeness to Man born from the virgin Mary.

After Adam lost the Life of God at the time of his disobedience the only one left with the Life was his Creator God himself. 

And when God said that "the seed of the woman will crush your Head and you will bruise his heel " that time God the Creator knew that this was said about himself knowing that at the right time he will obey God the Father and live everything to enter our world being born from Mary "the seed of the woman was the seed with the life of God "the one who breath his Life unto Adam, and his name was Jesus Christ the Son of the Heavenly Father ".

"The Light of the world". 

 

[DeighAnn]

Quick bits

Access to The Tree of life (bread of life)was cut off and the tree of life is required for the continuing of life.  

Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever

Genesis 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.


Man  'regenerated' 

Revelation 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
 

Revelation 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

Revelation 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

In the day you eat of it you will die.  The 'day' a thousand years.  Methuselah lived to be 900 something, I think.  (more info for how long 'a day' is)

Being cut off from the tree insured 'death' of the flesh hence expulsion from the garden so that 'sin' could not have an eternal future.  

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.  

That is the second death,  proving after death in the flesh,  there is a body that has a soul.  

Our flesh eyes were opened while our spiritual eyes were closed.  


When our 'flesh' became sinful we lost the 'likeness' to God.

 

[Your closest friendnt]

25 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

THAT'S MY POINT

The WORD was with God and the WORD was God.  

Until the WORD was made flesh, He had no image.

I do not know if God has an image but regardless the Word didn't. 

So WHO is the 'OUR'?  

At the time of the creation of man God the Creator of Man and everything else did not have a body like Adam had.

But when he Created Man and before that he knew that the time will that he also will look like Adam and walk the earth like a man and in obedience to God he did not esteemed him self being God the Creator and humble himself to live every thing he had and be born from Mary after he was conceived by Mary and was carried in her womb the full gestation period of nine months and be born in Bethlehem. 

He found himself as a man and started from the beginning the first Man being born from a woman with the Life of God in him. The one who had the Life from the beginning and who breath the Life in Adam now he is born in Bethlehem, now he is with a body for the first time. But he had to live as a man and die on the Cross as a man. 

He had to be taught by the Angel Gabriel who he was before he was born and what his mission was the reason why he came to earth as a man to died on the Cross to redeemed man and earn a Heavenly Inheritance for Man and give man of his Eternal Life so man can be with God forever living without the fear of death.