Is God Responsible?

[LearningToLetGo]

47 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Stop struggling. 

Easier said than done, unfortunately.

[1to3]

The bible s clear, we are all filthy rags =mankind

Isaiah 64:6

But we are all like an unclean thing, And all our righteousness's are like filthy rags; We all fade as a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, Have taken us away.

 

We have all gone astray= mankind

Isaiah 53:6

…5But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed. 6We all like sheep have gone astray, each one has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid upon Him the iniquity of us all. 7He was oppressed and afflicted, yet He did not open His mouth. He was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so He did not open His mouth

 

Paul says he once was a chief sinner

1 Timothy 1:15

14And the grace of our Lord overflowed to me, along with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus. 15This is a trustworthy saying, worthy of full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the worst. 16But for this very reason I was shown mercy, so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display His perfect patience as an example to those who would believe in Him for eternal life.

To believe is having faith, even the size of a mustard seed, because in good soil, firmly planted, the temple house that is built on the rock will REMAIN firm on the Rock ie Christ Jesus.

Christ Jesus said build your house on the rock

Matthew 7:24-27

Christ Jesus said:²⁴ “Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: ²⁵ and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.

²⁶ “But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: ²⁷ and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall

Christ Jesus said build your house on the rock, Christ Jesus did not say I will build your house for you, no He, Christ Jesus is saying for you to make the decision yourself to choose to go and build your house on the rock on Him. Christ Jesus says those who choose to go build their house on sand instead of on rock are on shaky grounds.

 

Without faith it is impossible to please God

Hebrews 11:6⁶ But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

what does it mean to delinquently SEEK HIM?

It takes FAITH fulness  The FULLness of Faith

We ALL like Paul have been given a seed of faith what we do with that seed, how we culture it, how we seek God our ROCK our Foundation daily as our daily bread instead of being swayed and still seeking bread elsewhere, or looking away from the foundation and instead trying another way to buiil our house/temple ie on shaky unstable sand grounds ,going into other things, philosophies, and living a luke warm life -the seed being in bad in bad soil, dries up thus going further apart from God than growing closer and closer to Him=good soil.

Christ is the good Shepherd, John 10:10 Christ Jesus the Good Shepherds will go looking after His own and His own Will hear His voice and return to His safety. That is when you will know with full assurance  that you are born again through Christ Jesus now living in your heart, working and guiding and changing your heart to become more and more the Child of God you were always intended to be, AmenAmen!: You will know His voice and by faith, by FAITH fullness, the FULLness of FAITH you will seek to hear His voice and you will call on Him to find your way to being always close by His side.

Trust in the LORD

Proverbs 3:5

…4Then you will find favor and high regard in the sight of God and man. 5Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding; 6in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight.…

Trusting in the Lord is having FAITH in HIM.

It is having the Fullness of FAITh , the FAITHfulness in Him and Him alone

Edited January 17, 2021 by 1to3

[enoob57]

20 hours ago, David1701 said:

God only gifts repentance and faith to some hell-deserving sinners (those whom the Father gave to Jesus).  The rest he leaves to the sin they desire.

John 6:36-39 (MKJV)

 36 But I said to you that you also have seen Me and do not believe.
  37 All that the Father gives Me shall come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will in no way cast out.
  38 For I came down from Heaven, not to do My own will but the will of Him who sent Me.
  39 And this is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all which He has given Me I should lose nothing but should raise it up again at the last day.

This is certainly out of exegetical context: as immediate context= chapter, then book where we find this passage explained completely:
 

John 17:6-20

6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

This in the writing of John was He, himself, and the other ten ... 11 Disciples.

7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.

8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.

11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. 

The exclusion of Judas as the son of perdition...

13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.

14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

We see this in the last Words Jesus spoke to them in the ascension...

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
KJV
Further defined as all who would receive the Disciples Word OT plus NT being formed....

This is a good example of eisegetical work where one is trying to fit one's theological framework an foist that upon a passage that is clearly defined in same book context!

[David1701]

1 hour ago, enoob57 said:

This is certainly out of exegetical context: as immediate context= chapter, then book where we find this passage explained completely:
 

John 17:6-20

6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

You are either trying to be deceptive, or you are completely clueless about exegesis.  You do not obtain the immediate context of a passage, by going to a completely different chapter!

You have also given no explanation as to what you think the passage you quoted means, nor the one I quoted.  In other words, in blaming me for eisegesis, you have provided neither exegesis, nor critique of what I posted.  All you have done is been insulting.  What do you think you are playing at?

[enoob57]

People can see what is posted and make up their own minds... I am settled in that fact...

[David1701]

1 hour ago, enoob57 said:

People can see what is posted and make up their own minds... I am settled in that fact...

No repentance.

No apology.

No attempt to provide exegesis of either passage.

No attempt to provide a cogent critique of what I posted.

Why am I not surprised?

[enoob57]

11 hours ago, David1701 said:

No repentance.

No apology.

No attempt to provide exegesis of either passage.

No attempt to provide a cogent critique of what I posted.

Why am I not surprised?

when you learn to address the topic and not the person I might engage with you more... right now you seem to not be able to do so.

[David1701]

5 hours ago, enoob57 said:

when you learn to address the topic and not the person I might engage with you more... right now you seem to not be able to do so.

The topic requires proper responses (exegesis, engaging with what I posted, context, etc.).  You are the one who is unable or unwilling to do this, so stop trying to justify your behaviour and make it look as if I'm in the wrong.  It's disgraceful.

I've found that freewillers often resort to underhanded tactics, when they cannot refute biblical arguments for God's sovereignty in salvation.  It seems to be a common characteristic.

[TheBlade]

Hi bless you " Romans 9:18-19, Paul addresses the fact that God as able to do anything He pleases, and that includes showing mercy, or turning people against Him."

Not exactly what Rom is saying there.

How about something from That's My King Dr. S.M. Lockridge to remind us who HE IS!

 

Edited January 18, 2021 by TheBlade

[Uber Genius]

On 1/15/2021 at 4:35 PM, David1701 said:

This is a perfect example of starting with man-made philosophy and ending up with wrong conclusions.  We need to start with what the Bible says and take out of that what it teaches.

Wow. So I just quoted every major Christian Father's response to the problem of evil. You reduce it and eliminate it. 

P1 (major premise) Truth is a correspondence between a statement and reality.

P2 (minor premise) Jesus claimed to be the messiah was a true statement.

 

Argument: Therefore Jesus is the messiah in the real world.

 

David1701:"Jesus is not the messiah in the real world because the argument is based on man-made philosophy."

 

Apostle Paul argued for the resurrection using man-made philosophy in Athens, (see Acts 17 Mars Hill) and in the synagogues (see Acts 13-19), and in 1 Cor 15

Premise 1 (major premise) If there is no resurrection then Jesus didn't raise from the dead.

Premise 2 (minor premise) Jesus did raise from the dead.

argument: Therefore, there will be a resurrection from the dead.

David1701:"Paul's arguments in Athens and Ephesians, And his conclusion that there is resurrection from the dead must be false becase the argument is based on man-made philosophy."

read Matt 22:23-33.

Here Jesus give the following argument:

Major premise God is the God of the living

Minor premise GOd is the God of Abraham, Isaaic, and Jacob

argument therefore Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are still alive! Something the sadducees denied!

here there is a even more powerful revelation. "God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob." Is a motto that the sadducees were famous for. So Jesus uses there central motto to give a philosophical argument based on a premise they took to be true and central and reason to a conclusion they held to be false historically (namely they didn't believe in resurrection or even life after death, or angels. 

David1701:"Jesus' argument with the Saaducees is meaningless and his conclusion that there is resurrection from the dead must be false becase the argument is based on man-made philosophny."

Your premise that we can't use philosophy to express ideas (where you use philosophy to convey that idea), is incoherent. It is self-refuting and lead such us to reject scripture because of its continual use of man-made philosophy!

what has gone wrong with your thinking?

well firstly you misdefine the phrase "man-made philosophy." 

It is used in scripture to mean arguments raised up against the knowledge of God. Not philosophical arguments in general. This is known a strange equivocating - or using an alternative definition for a word that misrepresents its meaning. Then you are creating a strawman out of that misrepresentation. A strawman is when you extend an claim or statement well beyond its original meaning and then attack that extension as obviously absurd hoping no one will notice that you were the inventor of the absurdity.