Burnt offerings

[R. Hartono]

3 hours ago, Melinda12 said:

With respect i disagree. He sacrificed her as a burnt offering as he had promised the Lord. I take the Bible as truth. It's harsh but that is what is written. 

 

 

Why wud she mourned for her virginity if she was Burnt anyway, his father was not as dumb brutal as you think, as Jesus said some people lived Solitaire by stipulation some by freewill

The word "and she knew no man" showed that she lived Solitaire, all her life for God. Due to her father's vow.

Edited October 30, 2020 by R. Hartono

[R. Hartono]

On 10/28/2020 at 3:24 PM, Deborah_ said:

You have to remember that the book of Judges covers a decadent period in Israel's history. Some pretty awful things went on (see the last five chapters of the book), and most people had very hazy ideas about God's requirements. 

Jephthah, for example, wanted to honour the living God - but he went about it as if Yahweh had been a god like Baal, needing to be 'bribed' with an extravagant vow. His vow was foolish in the extreme, with tragic consequences. Because the one thing that he did get right (although in context, it doesn't make the situation any better, but worse) is that vows must be kept, whatever the cost (Numbers 30:1,2).

And so his story is recorded as a warning to us.

Hi, what a tragic conclusion u took. She was sacrificed to live Solitaire.

God did not accept it when Abraham wanted to sacrifice Ishak, it was just a test.

The word "and she knew no man" showed that she did live n as a solitaire sacrificed to God.

Japheth was not a brutal moroon.

Edited October 30, 2020 by R. Hartono

[R. Hartono]

19 hours ago, Melinda12 said:

With respect i disagree. He sacrificed her as a burnt offering as he had promised the Lord. I take the Bible as truth. It's harsh but that is what is written. 

 

 

 

On 10/30/2020 at 7:30 AM, Jayne said:

Yes, I've read the scriptures.  Just because God raise them up and anointed them doesn't mean they were role models.  Jephthah making this vow and his anger issues.  Samson - I've no room to list his issues and problems.  Yes, God used them.  It doesn't make them perfect.

 

On 10/30/2020 at 2:52 AM, Jayne said:

Moses was dead.  Joshua was dead.  The people had no leader.  I can't remember if it is three or four times that the book of Judges says that "Everyone did what was right in their own eyes."

Even some of the judges that God provided for them from time to time weren't to be emulated in their behavior.  Not many "good guys" in Judges.

The vow he made was from a rash place and a place of pride.  It was a stupid vow.  We should learn from this and keep our words to God humble, simple, and with Him in mind and not ourselves.

No, this was not commonplace.

 

On 10/28/2020 at 10:39 PM, Speks said:

Jephthah’s vow was anything but wise, and we can only speculate why he should think of such an odd context for a sacrifice. Perhaps he had been influenced by stories he had heard, or religious customs he had encountered? Maybe thoughts of a glorious conquest had made him impulsive or calculating. We don’t know. But the Lord did give Jephthah the victory and the Book of Hebrews mentions him as man of faith.

We have no good reason to think that this dreadful sacrifice could ever have been acceptable to God. His Word had already said that such a practice was an “abominable thing” that He hated (see Deuteronomy 12:31). But it seems likely that this dreadful killing went ahead. We read that Jephthah “did to her according to the vow which he had made.”

There is a very important issue here that can try to worm its way into our psyche. When reading the OT we need to be careful that we don’t question God’s character or sovereignty. (Militant atheists do that kind of thing often enough, ad nauseam.) Dreadful things happen in the biblical narratives.

Our attitude must be: Who can resist his will? Who are we to answer back to God? It is the LORD. Let him do what seems good to him. He does all that He pleases. (Romans 9:19, 20; 1st Samuel 3:18; Psalm 115:3.)

“...all the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and he does according to his will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand or say to him, ‘What have you done?’” (Daniel 4:25, ESV).

First, the word "She knew no man" is a clue that she sacrificed her life as a solitaire as Jesus said, some do not marry by stipulation (vow/declaration) n some by freewill.

Second, the sacrifice offerings were ruled in the book of Levit n it was given to the Levit to receive the sacrifice offerings n the priest wud slaughter it n offered it to God at the Tabernacle, HUMAN SACRIFICE to God was never recorded in the book of Levit n therefore were never acceptable to accept n to butcher a human as an offering to God.

Japhet did not butcher his daughter, he was not that bloody moroon. The Hebrew girls remembering the solitaire life of his daughter every year, not her slaughter.

 

Edited October 31, 2020 by R. Hartono

[missmuffet]

Question: "Did Jephthah sacrifice his daughter to the Lord?"

Answer: In Judges 11:30-31, Jephthah, a judge of Israel, made a foolish vow that if God gave him victory in the upcoming battle, he would sacrifice whatever first came out of his door when he came home. Jephthah was victorious in the battle against the Ammonites (Judges 11:32-33). When Jephthah returned home after the battle, his daughter came to greet him (Judges 11:34). Jephthah was devastated and stated that he had made a vow to the Lord that he could not break (Judges 11:35). Jephthah’s daughter asked for a two month “reprieve,” and Jephthah granted her request (Judges 11:36-38). The passage then states that Jephthah “did to her as he had vowed” (Judges 11:39).
The Bible does not explicitly state that Jephthah sacrificed his daughter as a burnt offering. Since his daughter was mourning the fact that she would never marry instead of mourning that she was about to die (Judges 11:36-37), this possibly indicates that Jephthah gave her to the tabernacle as a servant instead of sacrificing her. However, again, Judges 11:39 does seem to indicate that he did follow through with the sacrifice: "He did to her as he had vowed."

Whatever the case, God had specifically forbidden offering human sacrifices, so it was absolutely not God’s desire for Jephthah to sacrifice his daughter (Leviticus 20:1-5). Jeremiah 7:31; 19:5; and 32:35 clearly indicate that the idea of human sacrifice has "never even entered God’s mind." The account of Jephthah and his daughter serves as an example for us to not make foolish vows or oaths. It should also serve as a warning to make sure any vow we make is something that is not in violation of God’s Word.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Jephthahs-daughter.html

 

Edited October 31, 2020 by missmuffet

[Leonardo Von]

Yeah, the passage about the vow of Jephthah is very difficult. If the vow implied in conserving his daughter virgin, why did he get so upset? After all, he could marry another woman and have children with her (at that time it was allowed to have many wives).

[Bluedragon]

Keep in mind. When the third temple is built .....sacrifices will begin again in earnest. The blood will flow. 

[The_Patriot21]

11 minutes ago, Leonardo Von said:

Yeah, the passage about the vow of Jephthah is very difficult. If the vow implied in conserving his daughter virgin, why did he get so upset? After all, he could marry another woman and have children with her (at that time it was allowed to have many wives).

So you won't respond to comments on your own thread, but you will reply to two year old threads that have not only died a long time ago, but the author is no longer member.

Do you just not like to interact with people or what?

[R. Hartono]

On 10/28/2020 at 3:24 PM, Deborah_ said:

You have to remember that the book of Judges covers a decadent period in Israel's history. Some pretty awful things went on (see the last five chapters of the book), and most people had very hazy ideas about God's requirements. 

Jephthah, for example, wanted to honour the living God - but he went about it as if Yahweh had been a god like Baal, needing to be 'bribed' with an extravagant vow. His vow was foolish in the extreme, with tragic consequences. Because the one thing that he did get right (although in context, it doesn't make the situation any better, but worse) is that vows must be kept, whatever the cost (Numbers 30:1,2).

And so his story is recorded as a warning to us.

A vow by man can easily be cancelled if it is understood to be wrong instead of causing such misery and God Will forgive

Edited July 23, 2022 by R. Hartono

[The_Patriot21]

14 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

A vow by man can easily be cancelled if it is understood to be wrong instead of causing such misery and God Will forgive

Where can you find that in the Bible?

[Deborah_]

On 7/23/2022 at 1:02 AM, R. Hartono said:

A vow by man can easily be cancelled if it is understood to be wrong instead of causing such misery and God Will forgive

That wasn't Jephthah's understanding. "When a man makes a vow to the LORD or takes an oath to bind himself by a pledge, he must not break his word but must do everything he said" (Numbers 30:2) No exceptions!