Transvestites in the Church?

[WilliamL]

Deuteronomy 22:5 A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the LORD your God.

The Torah of Moses spoke about the external things of flesh and soul. The Gospel of Christ speaks about the internal things of spirit. The ordinances of Moses were "types and shadows of heavenly things." Heb. 8:5; cf. 1 Cor. 9:8-10

Does this ordinance of Moses have a spiritual application? Are men in the Church wearing, spiritually-speaking, women's clothes, and women wearing men's clothes?

[johnthebaptist]

5 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Deuteronomy 22:5 A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the LORD your God.

The Torah of Moses spoke about the external things of flesh and soul. The Gospel of Christ speaks about the internal things of spirit. The ordinances of Moses were "types and shadows of heavenly things." Heb. 8:5; cf. 1 Cor. 9:8-10

Does this ordinance of Moses have a spiritual application? Are men in the Church wearing, spiritually-speaking, women's clothes, and women wearing men's clothes?

I disagree with your premise, if you are stating the Torah of Moses speaks only of external things. The Torah teaches us to love the Lord with all our hearts, minds, and souls, love our neighbor as ourselves, not to covet, and so on.

[johnthebaptist]

8 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Deuteronomy 22:5 A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the LORD your God.

The Torah of Moses spoke about the external things of flesh and soul. The Gospel of Christ speaks about the internal things of spirit. The ordinances of Moses were "types and shadows of heavenly things." Heb. 8:5; cf. 1 Cor. 9:8-10

Does this ordinance of Moses have a spiritual application? Are men in the Church wearing, spiritually-speaking, women's clothes, and women wearing men's clothes?

 

Just now, johnthebaptist said:

I disagree with your premise, if you are stating the Torah of Moses speaks only of external things. The Torah teaches us to love the Lord with all our hearts, minds, and souls, love our neighbor as ourselves, not to covet, and so on.

But thanks for bringing this verse (Det 22:5) to my attention. It further demonstrates that homosexuality is an abomination, no matter how you disguise it.

[WilliamL]

28 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

...if you are stating the Torah of Moses speaks only of external things. The Torah teaches us to love the Lord with all our hearts, minds, and souls...

I said nothing about only. Your presumption. The fact remains that the vast majority of the Torah is concerned with natural things, while the vast majority of the Gospel is concerned with spiritual things:

1 Cor. 2:14 But a natural [lit. soulish] man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he perceive them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual discerns all things, yet he himself is rightly discerned by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?” But we have a mind of Christ.

The Gospel teaches us to love God with our minds; Torah does not. See Deut. 6:4. Jesus added "minds" to "hearts, souls, and strength" (i.e., of the flesh) found in Deut. 6:4. See Mark 12:30.

Transvestitism is the precursor of transgenderism: a man wants to become like a woman, and vice verse. So I repeat the question: are women in the Church "wearing garments" like men, and vice versa -- spiritually speaking?  In their minds?

Edited October 29, 2020 by WilliamL

[johnthebaptist]

21 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

I said nothing about only. Your presumption. The fact remains that the vast majority of the Torah is concerned with natural things, while the vast majority of the Gospel is concerned with spiritual things:

1 Cor. 2:14 But a natural [lit. soulish] man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he perceive them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual discerns all things, yet he himself is rightly discerned by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?” But we have a mind of Christ.

The Gospel teaches us to love God with our minds; Torah does not. See Deut. 6:4. Jesus added "minds" to "hearts, souls, and strength" (i.e., of the flesh) found in Deut. 6:4. See Mark 12:30.

Transvestitism is the precursor of transgenderism: a man wants to become like a woman, and vice verse. So I repeat the question: are women in the Church "wearing garments" like men, and vice versa -- spiritually speaking?  In their minds?

I said, "If."

[teddyv]

Category error. I suppose that there is some cross-over, but transvestism has virtually nothing to do either homosexuality or transgenderism. Its more like a fetish.

[Starise]

2 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Deuteronomy 22:5 A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the LORD your God.

The Torah of Moses spoke about the external things of flesh and soul. The Gospel of Christ speaks about the internal things of spirit. The ordinances of Moses were "types and shadows of heavenly things." Heb. 8:5; cf. 1 Cor. 9:8-10

Does this ordinance of Moses have a spiritual application? Are men in the Church wearing, spiritually-speaking, women's clothes, and women wearing men's clothes?

I think this is literal only. 

[LadyKay]

6 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Are men in the Church wearing, spiritually-speaking, women's clothes, and women wearing men's clothes?

I have not seen any men in my church wearing women cloths.  The same goes for the women not wearing men clothing.  I see church as a place where everyone is welcome and everyone should be . Where else should a trans be except in church? 

[LadyKay]

6 hours ago, johnthebaptist said:

It further demonstrates that homosexuality is an abomination, no matter how you disguise it.

So...just a question as something caught my eye to wonder about. In Proverbs 6:16-19 it says: 

These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

 

Why isn't homosexuality listed in this?  

Edited October 30, 2020 by LadyKay

[johnthebaptist]

13 minutes ago, LadyKay said:

So...just a question as something caught my eye to wonder about. In Proverbs 6:16-19 it says: 

These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

 

Why isn't homosexuality listed in this?  

The Lord doesn't have to say something over and over again to make it true. If he did, the Bible would be tens of thousands of pages long.