Genesis 2:8

[Justin Adams]

40 minutes ago, leah777 said:

People who do none of the things you list here also received the Holy Spirit and are Born Again. Do you agree?

I am not sure I understand, so ask for clarification.

There are many believers that are not taught about the gifts of the spirit. They are still believers and have some measure of God's/Yeshua's Spirit.

Edited March 7, 2021 by Justin Adams

[DeighAnn]

6 hours ago, Marathoner said:

A lack of distinction between the heavenly and the earthly. We look to the scriptures and the Lord teaches us that there is an appointed time for every matter under heaven (Ecclesiastes 3:1) which to us, means here on earth. Thus, the Lord's will is done on earth as it is in heaven. Heaven is first and the earth follows.

Couched another way, the earth proceeds according to time whereas heaven does not. There is an appointed time for every matter under heaven.   

The earthly is nothing like the heavenly hence this distinction is made throughout the scriptures. The prophets knew this well for the Spirit of God opened visions to them: they saw the Lord upon His throne beyond the confines of the world... they witnessed the Lord preside over His holy ones upon the mount of assembly which is not a location on this earth... and as for the apostle John, he witnessed scenes from heaven given to him by the Lord. 

The heavenly is beyond our experience for are we not vessels of clay with a living soul? We are clay and the Lord is the Potter, the One who fashioned us and gave us life. You're familiar with the scriptures so I'm confident you recognize the many references in what I'm writing, sister. 

Everything is finished in the eyes of our God who is in heaven but there are times and appointed times for all things on this earth. I hope this makes sense to you.

Of course the Word wasn't made flesh before He became flesh and walked this earth as the second Adam, our Savior and Christ. He was not slain on the cross before He became flesh and was crucified because there is an appointed time for this on earth, just as there is an appointed time for every matter under heaven. Let us remember the scripture, 

But when the fullness of the time came, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons and daughters. (Galatians 4:4-5 NASB)

In the fullness of time.  
  

All work to be completed in the flesh and blood body.  Thank God for the measure of faith given you and THANK YOU for the excellent response, it's always the  simple stuff, keeps me humble thank God.  

[leah777]

1 hour ago, Justin Adams said:

There are many believers that are not taught about the gifts of the spirit. They are still believers and have some measure of God's/Yeshua's Spirit.

thank you. There are some who say that those who believe in Gifts, but cant heal or speak in tongues or prophecy, are not proper born again Christians, even if those Christians evidence other gifts from God.

Edited March 7, 2021 by leah777

[Your closest friendnt]

2 hours ago, leah777 said:

People who do none of the things you list here also received the Holy Spirit and are Born Again. Do you agree?

I am not sure I understand, so ask for clarification.

There is something in your post that made thank God and our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

The only thing God is asking from everyone in the world is to believe that Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of their sins. Yes Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world, for everyone who had die at the time of the Cross and everyone there after. 

But for everyone to have his sins under the blood of Jesus Christ he must believe that he died for him/her. This is it, at that time he/she are IN JESUS CHRIST. 

At that moment   by DEFAULT they rereceive the Spirit of Adaptation. In other words God puts the Spirit of Adaption in our heart which remains in us as long as we believe. 

We are born from above, the Spirit of Jesus Christ in us give us the witness and together with our Spirit cries ABBA FATHER...

does not mean we are conscious about that all the time, but our inner man is. 

And we have other spiritual gifts put in our heart at that time. 

We have the Holy Spirit working in our life and from within our heart.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit it is as it says it is, and we grow in the Holy Spirit as we go along in our walk of this life.  

The baptism of the Holy Spirit it is for the born again, to equip the believer for special things in this life, for special missions in this life.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit is for the believers in Jesus Christ those who want and asked for it. 

Have I address your concerns? 

[Justin Adams]

23 minutes ago, leah777 said:

thank you. There are some who say that those who believe in Gifts, but cant heal or speak in tongues or prophecy, are not proper born again Christians, even if those Christians evidence other gifts from God.

I know there are some weird ideas out there, especially in Christian Middle Earth (the internet). I must assure you that those that would say what you just posted are categorically wrong and should be ashamed of themselves.

The only thing I have not (yet) experienced first hand is raising someone from the dead. So does that mean I am 'not a proper Christian' ??? Stay far away from those like you quoted. Far away!!

Edited March 7, 2021 by Justin Adams

[DeighAnn]

 

23 minutes ago, leah777 said:

thank you. There are some who say that those who believe in Gifts, but cant heal or speak in tongues or prophecy, are not proper born again Christians, even if those Christians evidence other gifts from God.

Maybe that is a way to discern those of true faith from not as (and I know you know but maybe someone else doesn't) 

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God and Christ must be formed in you before you receive the Holy Spirit.

Ephesians 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

Ephesians 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Ephesians 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

DJ

[Frits]

2 hours ago, leah777 said:

People who do none of the things you list here also received the Holy Spirit and are Born Again. Do you agree?

I am not sure I understand, so ask for clarification.

Hi Leah, nice you're here and thank you for your important question.

I would like to answer this question, but first I would like to determine with you a few things, in order to give a good and complete answer.

1. What do you understand by Born Again?  Can you talk about that with regard to yourself say?

2. Can you also tell if you have received the Holy Spirit?  And how is that noticeable?

God bless you sister.

[Guest clancy]

38 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

There is something in your post that made thank God and our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

The only thing God is asking from everyone in the world is to believe that Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of their sins. Yes Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world, for everyone who had die at the time of the Cross and everyone there after. 

But for everyone to have his sins under the blood of Jesus Christ he must believe that he died for him/her. This is it, at that time he/she are IN JESUS CHRIST. 

At that moment   by DEFAULT they rereceive the Spirit of Adaptation. In other words God puts the Spirit of Adaption in our heart which remains in us as long as we believe. 

We are born from above, the Spirit of Jesus Christ in us give us the witness and together with our Spirit cries ABBA FATHER...

does not mean we are conscious about that all the time, but our inner man is. 

And we have other spiritual gifts put in our heart at that time. 

We have the Holy Spirit working in our life and from within our heart.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit it is as it says it is, and we grow in the Holy Spirit as we go along in our walk of this life.  

The baptism of the Holy Spirit it is for the born again, to equip the believer for special things in this life, for special missions in this life.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit is for the believers in Jesus Christ those who want and asked for it. 

Have I address your concerns? 

Not everyone who has been born again...comes to the Lord as you have spoken of here.

The Holy Spirit remains in us as long as we believe?

Scripture for that please?...

How can we not believe, if we have received the Holy Spirit?

 

The Holy Spirit lives in us, he will never leave us.” Never”.

Edited March 7, 2021 by clancy

[leah777]

19 minutes ago, Frits said:

Hi Leah, nice you're here and thank you for your important question.

I would like to answer this question, but first I would like to determine with you a few things, in order to give a good and complete answer.

1. What do you understand by Born Again?  Can you talk about that with regard to yourself say?

2. Can you also tell if you have received the Holy Spirit?  And how is that noticeable?

God bless you sister.

no, I want to hear from you the answer to my question before sharing. You have appeared to state that only those who exercise the Gifts listed in your previous post are true Christians. Is that what you believe?

[leah777]

25 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Maybe that is a way to discern those of true faith from not as

do you say that those who do not raise the dead, prophecy, heal or speak in tongues are not true Christians?