How to Authentically Speak in Tongues

[Your closest friendnt]

12 hours ago, NConly said:

1 Corin 14

27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.

7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8 To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, 

to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,

and to still another the interpretation of tongues.

 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines. 

** Paul in 1 Corinthians 12:4-11 is teaching about the gifts of the Holy Spirit...

At the later part in verse 10 (in bald lettering) Paul describes one of the gifts from the Holy Spirit to a believer it is to speak " in deferent kinds of tongues, but Paul continues to say that another gift from the Holy Spirit to someone else is given the gift of the interpretation of tongues. 

 

Edited May 10, 2023 by Your closest friendnt

[farouk]

On 5/7/2023 at 10:44 AM, NConly said:

this is my understanding of tongues.

1 Corin

13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

This is how I look at tongues.

@NConly

Paul's words that you quote: "I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue" seem to be ignored a lot...................

[NConly]

4 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.

7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8 To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, 

to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,

and to still another the interpretation of tongues.

 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines. 

** Paul in 1 Corinthians 12:4-11 is teaching about the gifts of the Holy Spirit...

At the later part in verse 10 (in bald lettering) Paul describes one of the gifts from the Holy Spirit to a believer it is to speak " in deferent kinds of tongues, but Paul continues to say that another gift from the Holy Spirit to someone else is given the gift of the interpretation of tongues. 

 

I read all that you posted many times. These do not negate the fact that 1. There must be interpreter  Present. 2. Tongues means other human language. 3. If no interpreter speak alone only between you and God.

[NConly]

4 hours ago, farouk said:

@NConly

Paul's words that you quote: "I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue" seem to be ignored a lot...................

imo there is a craze going on; speaking in Tongues makes one appear closer to God than anyone around. One reason I stopped TV, preachers muttering several phonetic sounds during preaching that is clearly not a language or actual words of a language. And no one to interpret.

[NConly]

18 hours ago, JimmyB said:

1 Corinthians 14:14, "For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unproductive."  Even the person who prays cannot interpret what s/he says.  That is exactly what I experience when I pray in tongues.

I the two verses I posted says praying alone no interpreter needed. They also say there must be an interpreter if not alone.

[Retrobyter]

8 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.

7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8 To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, 

to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,

and to still another the interpretation of tongues.

 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines. 

** Paul in 1 Corinthians 12:4-11 is teaching about the gifts of the Holy Spirit...

At the later part in verse 10 (in bald lettering) Paul describes one of the gifts from the Holy Spirit to a believer it is to speak " in deferent kinds of tongues, but Paul continues to say that another gift from the Holy Spirit to someone else is given the gift of the interpretation of tongues. 

 

Shalom, Your closest friendnt.

Right. One is given the gift of being able to SPEAK in other languages, and another is able to HEAR other languages and tell those in his or her own language what these others are saying.

"Tongues" are languages. And, the languages of "angels" are simply the languages of messengers, for that is what "angel," or in Greek "aggelos," means! Some are GIFTED in using other languages; some, not so much.

I was constantly drilled EVERY SUMMER SCHOOL on French, but to this day, I RECOGNIZE it better than I speak it!

I've had to struggle learning Greek and then learning Hebrew. These other languages do NOT come naturally to me!

However, English, being both my native tongue and also having a mother who was a strict grammarian, helped me learn English better than most, but that was because my mother CONSTANTLY corrected me, particularly in the presence of my friends!

Looking back on what I've written here, she'd have a thing to say about my lack of parallel thoughts here! "Both ... and ..." should have two thoughts framed the same way, either as two adjectives, two nouns, or two clauses of the same type!

Edited May 10, 2023 by Retrobyter
to add a thing

[Starise]

On 5/9/2023 at 8:58 AM, NConly said:

I find 22 verses that speak of tongues. They all lead me to think when anyone speaks in Tongues it is the tongue of another human language and must be interpreted at that time. I find not one verse that indicated one can speak in a tongue that no human can interpret.

I see two distinct ways tongues are mentioned. Public with a translator and private.

I have come across brothers and sisters who speak in a prayer language that most would call tongues. This is a connection through the Spirit directly to God. Many who practice this do not disclose it due to what we see happening here.

Paul indicated he spoke in tongues but seen it as a minor thing and of less importance than other public functions.

The other main component here that has some theological seperation between denominations is the idea of being filled with the Spirit after we are saved. Being filled with the Spirit is often associated with spiritual gifts. 

On one side of this, I believe there is skepticism, concern and even fear coming from some sides when it comes to tongues, because Satan has duplicated it so well that it has been discredited, i.e. certain apostate TV preachers.

On the other side of it are those who have the gift and know it isn't all Satan, but they dare not go to those denominations that condemn the gift, so what do they do? They go where they can be accepted and flow in their gifts. 

 

[enoob57]

15 minutes ago, Starise said:

I see two distinct ways tongues are mentioned. Public with a translator and private.

This is why I say if tongues were Biblically followed there would be no dispute in the churches... because this allows God's Word to be determining factor in discerning of the s/Spirits in any given voice in corporate worship to Him...

[Starise]

I don't really see myself as having a side on this. I agree we should do all things biblically. Unless my 'side' is to be open minded but not to the point that I get careless.

Not fighting either way. Just trying to see the most balanced view.

Most churches don't dispute it IMO because the denominations have taken care of it.

Churches 'closed' to even the idea don't usually have tongues speakers in their midst.

Do you see some of this as restricting to the Spirit?

[enoob57]

3 minutes ago, Starise said:

Do you see some of this as restricting to the Spirit?

I see only Scripture as leading to me what is truth and what is not truth... It is God's Word to be followed through a proper hermeneutic as this will lead us into all truth and

John 8:32 (KJV)

[32] And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

John 17:17 (KJV)

[17] Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

 

John 8:36 (KJV)

[36] If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

This is none restrictive in pursuit ...