assurance of salvation question

[Billiards Ball]

16 hours ago, F_Ivan said:

I feel assured that I'm not going to get a heart attack today. If I go outside and take a walk I feel assured im not going to slip on ice, crack my head open and die today. But I don't supernaturally know for dead certain that either two of those things ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN FOR DEAD CERTAIN. But I feel assured it's not going to happen. Is it the same with the typical salvation experience? You don't have that super natural dead certain knowing but have the same type of assurance you're not going to randomly get a heart attack in the next minute kind of thing? im sure some people have that experience, but is that common of the typical saved person?

Assurance is based on Bible facts. How you understand salvation colors how you understand assurance:

Heaven is a perfect place where morally imperfect sinners cannot live (without ruining life there). Jesus died and rose for our sin, trust Him today to make you perfect when you meet in person--when He brings you to Heaven.

I trusted Jesus, not me, in the past, for perfection. In the present and future I have 100% asssurance.

If you're not 100% sure about salvation (assured) trust JESUS NOW FOR SALVATION, not your own efforts to someday (never!) achieve moral perfection / right action 100% of the time).

[F_Ivan]

1 hour ago, Billiards Ball said:

Assurance is based on Bible facts. How you understand salvation colors how you understand assurance:

Heaven is a perfect place where morally imperfect sinners cannot live (without ruining life there). Jesus died and rose for our sin, trust Him today to make you perfect when you meet in person--when He brings you to Heaven.

I trusted Jesus, not me, in the past, for perfection. In the present and future I have 100% asssurance.

If you're not 100% sure about salvation (assured) trust JESUS NOW FOR SALVATION, not your own efforts to someday (never!) achieve moral perfection / right action 100% of the time).

I never trust myself to achieve moral perfection, I know it's impossible and downright foolish. Like I said, I believe in all the correct stuff.

[David1701]

10 hours ago, F_Ivan said:

well it seems like its almost impossible to be saved then, i thought the condition was believe in your heart to be saved and not of works. not grovel every day to God for years and maybe god will save you

I have absolutely no idea what connection you think that your post has with mine, since I posted nothing like this!

[missmuffet]

21 hours ago, F_Ivan said:

I feel assured that I'm not going to get a heart attack today. If I go outside and take a walk I feel assured im not going to slip on ice, crack my head open and die today. But I don't supernaturally know for dead certain that either two of those things ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN FOR DEAD CERTAIN. But I feel assured it's not going to happen. Is it the same with the typical salvation experience? You don't have that super natural dead certain knowing but have the same type of assurance you're not going to randomly get a heart attack in the next minute kind of thing? im sure some people have that experience, but is that common of the typical saved person?

You don't know what is going to happen in the next second, minute or hour. Only God knows. 

[enoob57]

There are two pursuits of people in regard to knowing... some through their flesh and emotion try to gather proof of God within... the other through the Word of God as God cannot lie therefore standing upon the promises of His Word is proof enough... I am of the Word and it is my perfect assurance and I know because my God has said so. As one studies the Scripture one understands it is His Word that carries us unto perfection as The Life of The Son is now our covering... the world and this body pass away but those who have placed the weight of themselves upon God's Word have this promise
 

Isa 55:11

11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
KJV
 

Isa 66:2

2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
KJV
 

Jer 1:12

12 Then said the LORD unto me, Thou hast well seen: for I will hasten my word to perform it.
KJV

John 5:24

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
KJV
 

John 8:31-32

31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
KJV
 

Rev 3:8

8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
KJV

the whole outline:
John 17:7-20

7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.

8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.

11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.

14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
KJV
 

[Dennis1209]

11 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

It is as straight forward as @appy says. (above). God designed it all so every person that choses Him will be saved. Simple and yet profound.

I hesitate to mention Hebrews 6:4-6 as simple... Been spending a lot of time looking at the 7 main views of that scripture. When I finish my other resources and study, I have a video by Dr. Heiser to view and hear his viewpoint on it. 

[F_Ivan]

On 1/5/2021 at 5:10 PM, Dennis1209 said:

I hesitate to mention Hebrews 6:4-6 as simple... Been spending a lot of time looking at the 7 main views of that scripture. When I finish my other resources and study, I have a video by Dr. Heiser to view and hear his viewpoint on it. 

That is simple. Whoever totally and completely apostatizes (not just childishly/impulsively getting angry one day and throwing in the towel, but apostasy from a hardened black wicked heart) from God who has experienced God (pretty sure that it's also including a person who was once saved judging by the description it gives) has basically committed the unpardonable sin/eternally condemned/reprobate condition. 

Edited January 7, 2021 by F_Ivan

[F_Ivan]

On 1/5/2021 at 11:41 AM, missmuffet said:

You don't know what is going to happen in the next second, minute or hour. Only God knows. 

yeah but i basically feel assured it wont happen even though i dont have a supernatural knowing it wont happen, that was what i was trying to use as an example

[Don19]

8 hours ago, F_Ivan said:

That is simple. Whoever totally and completely apostatizes (not just childishly/impulsively getting angry one day and throwing in the towel, but apostasy from a hardened black wicked heart) from God who has experienced God (pretty sure that it's also including a person who was once saved judging by the description it gives) has basically committed the unpardonable sin/eternally condemned/reprobate condition. 

Wrong. Can a slave reject his master? No, he cannot; he is the property of his master (Exo 21:21, Lev 25:44-46). But those who are Christ's have been purchased by Him at a price, as we are not our own (1 Cor 6:15-20). If we're not our own, then we have no power to overthrow the purpose of God in electing us to salvation. If those who stormed the US Capitol are powerless to change the election, how much more so are the elect of God powerless to change God's election?

[F_Ivan]

10 hours ago, Don19 said:

Wrong. Can a slave reject his master? No, he cannot; he is the property of his master (Exo 21:21, Lev 25:44-46). But those who are Christ's have been purchased by Him at a price, as we are not our own (1 Cor 6:15-20). If we're not our own, then we have no power to overthrow the purpose of God in electing us to salvation. If those who stormed the US Capitol are powerless to change the election, how much more so are the elect of God powerless to change God's election?

Wrong because you are forcefully plugging calvinism into the verse. God doesn't forcefully and completely destroy man's free will. no free will at all is unbiblical. A master can throw out his slave/servant. 

"And throw that worthless servant into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

"The master of that servant will come on a day he does not expect and at an hour he does not anticipate. 51Then he will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 

David Wilkerson himself said he had been warned by God that would be all over for him if he continued in a certain line of action/sin, and spoke of godly ministers he once knew who had the same thing that happened to Saul happen to them (God removes his annointing/holy spirit from them). There are far more verses in scriptures that heavily imply you can lose your salvation. That doesn't mean God loves you any less though. I believe that one would have to be so black hearted and wicked that there would be NO room for repentance at all in their heart and they'd have to render God's holy spirit completely powerless for God to give them over to a reprobate mind/a Hebrews 6. Let us never forget that God is also a personal God, he's not just an arbitrary infinite force of Love for his elect and an infinite force of wrath for the damned.

Edited January 7, 2021 by F_Ivan