Why good men go to hell?

[Your closest friendnt]

19 minutes ago, David1701 said:

Repentance on its own won't do it. 

You need to be born again, repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.  These are all gifts from God.  When you have been given them, you know that you are in fellowship with the Lord, in your spirit; but you, as a whole, will not enter heaven until the resurrection.

 

This call to repentance was within the old Covenant.  If it did some good the good was within the old Covenant and the culture they live in regardless of any covenant.

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In the new Covenant the call is to believe as you are. 

It is a call to accept your self as one is.

It is to invite anyone to believe as they are, in what ever situation everyone is.

It is not to degrade and humiliate any one with all those unnecessary and distorted calls for repentance. 

Jesus is the one who calls people to repentance and he knows the right time and the  right thing to ask to repent for.

Jesus Christ is calling people to believe before they repent, even without repenting he wants them to believe.  

He wants to count the believers in his camp with or without repentance. 

This is the Gospel to an unbeliever. 

Believe in Jesus Christ who died for the forgiveness of our sins, and be happy and rejoice that ones sins are forgiven. 

Rejoice together with the Angels in Heaven who rejoice when someone believes. 

And why the Angels rejoice, it is that this person will be with them in Heaven. 

One more for Heaven one more the Devil cannot have. 

[johnthebaptist]

51 minutes ago, David1701 said:

Repentance on its own won't do it. 

You need to be born again, repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.  These are all gifts from God.  When you have been given them, you know that you are in fellowship with the Lord, in your spirit; but you, as a whole, will not enter heaven until the resurrection.

Repentance is a necessary ingredient if you want to have peace of mind.

[Your closest friendnt]

38 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

Repentance is a necessary ingredient if you want to have peace of mind.

If it is with faith in the Cross of Jesus Christ, that's is ok Jesus Christ wants us to repent.  

Thank you.

Edited January 8, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

[johnthebaptist]

48 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

If it is with faith in the Cross of Jesus Christ, that's is ok Jesus Christ wants us to repent.  

Thank you.

The Lord saves you -fixes the messes you get yourself into - but expects you to learn from your mistakes. There is no lasting peace till we repent of our sin.

[David1701]

1 hour ago, johnthebaptist said:

Repentance is a necessary ingredient if you want to have peace of mind.

Repentance is a necessary ingredient, otherwise you are not saved.

[David1701]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

 

This call to repentance was within the old Covenant.  If it did some good the good was within the old Covenant and the culture they live in regardless of any covenant.

*******

In the new Covenant the call is to believe as you are. 

It is a call to accept your self as one is.

It is to invite anyone to believe as they are, in what ever situation everyone is.

It is not to degrade and humiliate any one with all those unnecessary and distorted calls for repentance. 

This sounds like "easy believism", in which you supposedly believe in the Lord, without turning from sin to God.  This is one of the worst false teachings in the Church and it leads to people claiming to be Christians, who are living like the devil. Repentance and faith always go together.

Acts 2:36-39 (WEB)

36 “Let all the house of Israel therefore know certainly that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”
37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 For the promise is to you, and to your children, and to all who are far off, even as many as the Lord our God will call to himself.”

Acts 3:14-19 (WEB)

14 But you denied the Holy and Righteous One, and asked for a murderer to be granted to you,
15 and killed the Prince of life, whom God raised from the dead, to which we are witnesses.
16 By faith in his name, his name has made this man strong, whom you see and know. Yes, the faith which is through him has given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.
17 “Now, brothers, I know that you did this in ignorance, as did also your rulers.
18 But the things which God announced by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he thus fulfilled.
19 “Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, so that there may come times of refreshing from the presence of the Lord,

Acts 8:18-23 (WEB)

18 Now when Simon saw that the Holy Spirit was given through the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money,
19 saying, “Give me also this power, that whomever I lay my hands on may receive the Holy Spirit.”
20 But Peter said to him, “May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money!
21 You have neither part nor lot in this matter, for your heart isn’t right before God.
22 Repent therefore of this, your wickedness, and ask God if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you.
23 For I see that you are in the gall of bitterness and in the bondage of iniquity.”

etc., etc.

 

[johnthebaptist]

8 minutes ago, David1701 said:

Repentance is a necessary ingredient, otherwise you are not saved.

Well, if we turn to the Lord and ask for his help, he'll rescue us from the messes we make of our lives, with our sin. But then he expects us to learn from our mistakes. If we persist in our sin, his discipline can be quite severe. Yes?

[David1701]

Just now, johnthebaptist said:

Well, if we turn to the Lord and ask for his help, he'll rescue us from the messes we make of our lives, with our sin. But then he expects us to learn from our mistakes. If we persist in our sin, his discipline can be quite severe. Yes?

Yes; but, this is about a Christian's life, after repentance/faith.  I was talking about the need for repentance, in order to become saved.

[johnthebaptist]

Just now, David1701 said:

Yes; but, this is about a Christian's life, after repentance/faith.  I was talking about the need for repentance, in order to become saved.

In the beginning we sin and get ourselves in to messes. We don't even know our messes are the result of our sin. We don't fully understand what sin is.

So we turn to the Lord, if we are smart, and ask for his help, and he will help us. But then we have to learn from our mistakes. This will repeat itself over and over till we've finally repented of all our sin, I think.

[David1701]

1 minute ago, johnthebaptist said:

In the beginning we sin and get ourselves in to messes. We don't even know our messes are the result of our sin. We don't fully understand what sin is.

So we turn to the Lord, if we are smart, and ask for his help, and he will help us. But then we have to learn from our mistakes. This will repeat itself over and over till we've finally repented of all our sin, I think.

<sigh>

We need to stick to what the Bible says, not indulge in fruitless speculation.