Does water baptism precede regeneration?

[Starise]

4 hours ago, Waggles said:

And the Bible teaches water baptism both in the Hebrew and in the Greek.

Water baptism is scriptural and clearly espoused in the gospels, Acts and the epistles.

So let us stop arguing with God and wrestling with the scriptures and just do it!

Afterall God loves obedience from his children.

I believe the Bible teaches water baptism. It's the demanding tongues I disagree with. THAT is an unbiblical based Pentecostal teaching- The teaching that everyone must eventually speak in tongues. We were not discussing tongues. If I misunderstood I stand corrected. I don't want to get into tongues because that isn't our discussion here. The fact that SOME speak in tongues does not mean ALL do or ever will. Does not mean they are any more or less spirit filled.

4 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

 

 What is the difference between 'death/sleep' from before Christ died and was raised to after Christ died and was raised?  

I understand the salvation, law and faith parts, not asking about those.  

You are asking Waggles so I won't respond. I'm trying to tie this into the baptism discussion. Maybe because a few here referenced the OT and the implications of water then as opposed to now? 

[Peterlag]

5 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

Sorry, you will have to look it up for yourself.

Blessings!

There is no Scripture that teaches water baptism in the New Testament. Thus, there's nothing to look up.

[Peterlag]

4 hours ago, Frits said:

Sorry Peter,
you never said it had to be about after the resurrection:

1. It is the disciples of the Lord Jesus who baptize.

2. They baptize with His approval.

Everything completely clear.

But if you mean the NT, here are some additional examples:

A. Act 8:16
Baptized, not yet the Holy Spirit!

B. Act 8: 36-39
Enough water, the eunuch is baptized by Philip.

C. Act 10:46
Don't keep the water out, baptize!

God bless.

A.) Acts 8:16... No water mentioned.

B.) Acts 8:36-39... Philip not an Apostle. 

C.) Acts 10:46... They must have said no to Peter's question because they did not baptize with water. They baptized in the name of the Lord.

[Waggles]

1 hour ago, Peterlag said:

C.) Acts 10:46... They must have said no to Peter's question because they did not baptize with water. They baptized in the name of the Lord

What !!! ??? 

[OneLight]

8 hours ago, Peterlag said:

Paul seems to have the same mindset I have. That if he baptized someone years ago he is glad he has not done it anymore. He clearly says Christ did not send him to do that.

Then you have changed your stance, which is good to see, as Paul did baptize believers, meaning your original statement claiming that no Apostles baptized anyone is incorrect.

[OneLight]

1 hour ago, Peterlag said:

B.) Acts 8:36-39... Philip not an Apostle.

Philip was an Apostle.  Where are you getting your information from?

Acts 1:13

And when they had entered, they went up into the upper room where they were staying: Peter, James, John, and Andrew; Philip and Thomas; Bartholomew and Matthew; James the son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot; and Judas the son of James.

[Peterlag]

1 hour ago, Waggles said:

What !!! ??? 

When he was circumcised, we were circumcised with him.
(Colossians 2:11)

When he was baptized, we were baptized with him.
(Romans 6:3)

When he was crucified, we were crucified with him.
(Galatians 2:20)

When he died, we died with him.
(Galatians 2:20)

When he was buried, we were buried with him.
(Colossians 2:12)

When he arose, we arose with him.
(Ephesians 2:6)

When he ascended, we ascended with him.
(Ephesians 2:6)

When he sat down, we sat down with him.
(Ephesians 2:6)

Water has nothing to do with it.

[Peterlag]

54 minutes ago, OneLight said:

Then you have changed your stance, which is good to see, as Paul did baptize believers, meaning your original statement claiming that no Apostles baptized anyone is incorrect.

It does not say Paul baptized with water.

When he was circumcised, we were circumcised with him.
(Colossians 2:11)

When he was baptized, we were baptized with him.
(Romans 6:3)

When he was crucified, we were crucified with him.
(Galatians 2:20)

When he died, we died with him.
(Galatians 2:20)

When he was buried, we were buried with him.
(Colossians 2:12)

When he arose, we arose with him.
(Ephesians 2:6)

When he ascended, we ascended with him.
(Ephesians 2:6)

When he sat down, we sat down with him.
(Ephesians 2:6)

Water has nothing to do with it.

[Peterlag]

50 minutes ago, OneLight said:

Philip was an Apostle.  Where are you getting your information from?

Acts 1:13

And when they had entered, they went up into the upper room where they were staying: Peter, James, John, and Andrew; Philip and Thomas; Bartholomew and Matthew; James the son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot; and Judas the son of James.

Philip was an Apostle? Holy Smokes I never saw that before. Well thanks. But it changes nothing. Water means nothing. It probably meant something to the guy that asked for it and Philip did not mind doing it if it blessed the guy. But it means nothing to God. Water went out with the resurrection of Christ.

[Waggles]

5 hours ago, Peterlag said:

When he was baptized, we were baptized with him.
(Romans 6:3)

When he was crucified, we were crucified with him.
(Galatians 2:20)

When he died, we died with him.
(Galatians 2:20)

When he was buried, we were buried with him.
(Colossians 2:12)

When he arose, we arose with him.
(Ephesians 2:6)

Water baptism is symbolic and spiritually significant as it represents a convert being not only being washed clean; but also sharing in the  death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, desiring to walk in newness of life. Then this also requires baptism in the Holy Spirit to empower us to continue this walk and to be overcomers.

 

 

Edited February 9, 2021 by Waggles