Does water baptism precede regeneration?

[Charlie744]

1 minute ago, Your closest friendnt said:

No one has question the word of God only God himself in some examples. But we are not talking about them now. 

What God can do is not the question at hand.

We are discussing who said that everything in the bible is spoken by God, so we can say it is the word of God or his prophets. 

Moses had the word of God when he spoke what God told him.  In different situations. 

In the bible we also have the words of others , without specifying, is it so difficult to admit it? 

It does NOT matter who said what... the Bible is inerrant!

 

[Marathoner]

30 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

No one has question the word of God only God himself in some examples. But we are not talking about them now. 

What God can do is not the question at hand.

We are discussing who said that everything in the bible is spoken by God, so we can say it is the word of God or his prophets. 

Moses had the word of God when he spoke what God told him.  In different situations. 

In the bible we also have the words of others , without specifying, is it so difficult to admit it? 

Of course not, but let us remember that whatever is given to us in the scriptures is approved of God, fit for our instruction and edification. Hence the scriptures are God-breathed. 

During the time of my recovery in the wilderness years ago, His Spirit taught me how to reason and speak again by the scriptures. It wasn't enough that I was able to read verses and passages (I never lost that ability); the Lord commanded me to read them aloud to Him. I still tremble at the memory of how excruciating these exercises were but His Spirit commanded me not to relent. 

It was my first lesson in obedience to His voice: focus upon the Lord and wait upon Him alone. Once this was done He directed me to read the fourth chapter of Genesis to Him and when I was finished, the Spirit questioned me about what I read. Again, I had to vocalize everything and was dismayed whenever I drifted off course (it was difficult to maintain concentration), but He was gentle and commanded me to start over from the beginning: read the passages aloud and tell Him about what I read. 

Were Cain's words the words of God Himself? Of course not, but the lesson of Cain is given to us by God so we might understand that no matter what we do, we ought to be swift with honesty and confession in the sight of God who knows the secrets of our hearts. Cain slew his brother Abel and his vanity, deceit, and lying lips were an abomination to the Lord who surely knew all that Cain had done.

The scriptures are God-breathed and thus they are inerrant, for there is no shadow of turning in the Lord. He is not like a man who regrets his words. 

Edited March 13, 2021 by Marathoner
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[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Charlie744 said:

It does NOT matter who said what... the Bible is inerrant!

 

This is not a well thought out response, it's more like a preprogram response, it is not what the bible is reaching. 

Everything is written down for a reason, to learn something from. And some to follow and some not to follow.  To be able to distinguish one from the other.  

No everything in the bible is from God.  

[Waggles]

7 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

No everything in the bible is from God.

Wow this should be interesting!! 

So tell us of the lies and deceit contained in the word of God - in contrast to what 1Timothy 3:16 claims. 

[Charlie744]

2 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

This is not a well thought out response, it's more like a preprogram response, it is not what the bible is reaching. 

Everything is written down for a reason, to learn something from. And some to follow and some not to follow.  To be able to distinguish one from the other.  

No everything in the bible is from God.  

I am going to request that you might begin a new topic under the Theology category ... if you agree that is an appropriate place for it..

Regardless of the responses you have been receiving you are going back to a position you have and are holding as to whether the Bible is inerrant ... but perhaps ONLY when God or one of His believers are speaking... 

I am not sure since you might need to articulate what you are asking here.... 

I am going to respectfully request that you re-read the responses from the folks during the last few pages.... Marathoner has taken the time to be specific and thorough in his response to what MAY be your issue at hand.

Both myself and leah777 provided you with a very brief comment to the inerrancy of the Bible.... Marathoner exploded those comments in a very thoughtful manner for you and all to consider.....

This is not meant to discourage you in continuing to seek your answer... and perhaps a brand new topic should be authored by you separately....

 

Hope this helps, Charlie

[Waggles]

And I thought water baptism was complicated enough? 

Edited March 13, 2021 by Waggles

[Your closest friendnt]

2 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

I am going to request that you might begin a new topic under the Theology category ... if you agree that is an appropriate place for it..

Regardless of the responses you have been receiving you are going back to a position you have and are holding as to whether the Bible is inerrant ... but perhaps ONLY when God or one of His believers are speaking... 

I am not sure since you might need to articulate what you are asking here.... 

I am going to respectfully request that you re-read the responses from the folks during the last few pages.... Marathoner has taken the time to be specific and thorough in his response to what MAY be your issue at hand.

Both myself and leah777 provided you with a very brief comment to the inerrancy of the Bible.... Marathoner exploded those comments in a very thoughtful manner for you and all to consider.....

This is not meant to discourage you in continuing to seek your answer... and perhaps a brand new topic should be authored by you separately....

 

Hope this helps, Charlie

You may mean good but this conversation is not about what you are suggesting. 

It is about who said what you are claiming? Who and when and Why?  

It was not Jesus was it? 

You cannot suggest I question Jesus Christ words.

[leah777]

1 hour ago, Marathoner said:

Of course not, but let us remember that whatever is given to us in the scriptures is approved of God, fit for our instruction and edification. Hence the scriptures are God-breathed. 

During the time of my recovery in the wilderness years ago, His Spirit taught me how to reason and speak again by the scriptures. It wasn't enough that I was able to read verses and passages (I never lost that ability); the Lord commanded me to read them aloud to Him. I still tremble at the memory of how excruciating these exercises were but His Spirit commanded me not to relent. 

It was my first lesson in obedience to His voice: focus upon the Lord and wait upon Him alone. Once this was done He directed me to read the fourth chapter of Genesis to Him and when I was finished, the Spirit questioned me about what I read. Again, I had to vocalize everything and was dismayed whenever I drifted off course (it was difficult to maintain concentration), but He was gentle and commanded me to start over from the beginning: read the passages aloud and tell Him about what I read. 

Were Cain's words the words of God Himself? Of course not, but the lesson of Cain is given to us by God so we might understand that no matter what we do, we ought to be swift with honesty and confession in the sight of God who knows the secrets of our hearts. Cain slew his brother Abel and his vanity, deceit, and lying lips were an abomination to the Lord who surely knew all that Cain had done.

The scriptures are God-breathed and thus they are inerrant, for there is no shadow of turning in the Lord. He is not like a man who regrets his words. 

Thank you for saying what my grasp of English cannot say. Bless you.

[leah777]

23 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

This is not a well thought out response, it's more like a preprogram response, it is not what the bible is reaching. 

Everything is written down for a reason, to learn something from. And some to follow and some not to follow.  To be able to distinguish one from the other.  

No everything in the bible is from God.  

What do you think inerrant means? 

[Your closest friendnt]

1 minute ago, leah777 said:

What do you think inerrant means? 

I did not use this word myself, and not any one of the disciples amongst the twelve.