Does water baptism precede regeneration?

[Alive]

2 minutes ago, Peterlag said:

I agree the old testament is for our learning. But it was not written to us. We have the new covenant now.

This is very very wrong. God very much had all of us in mind when He inspired the OT writers. From beginning to end it speaks of Christ. The entire Bible is about Christ.

And then there is this. A Christian speaking to Christians at a time when the NT books hadn't yet been compiled.

2Tim. 3:16 (NAS95S) All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

[Peterlag]

9 minutes ago, Alive said:

What do you mean it by doesn't fit?

Well, if you're finding water baptism or circumcision in Revelation. Then that would not fit with the new covenant where those things no longer matter in Christ. 

[Peterlag]

6 minutes ago, Alive said:

This is very very wrong. God very much had all of us in mind when He inspired the OT writers. From beginning to end it speaks of Christ. The entire Bible is about Christ.

And then there is this. A Christian speaking to Christians at a time when the NT books hadn't yet been compiled.

2Tim. 3:16 (NAS95S) All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

Hebrews 8:6-8
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

[Alive]

7 minutes ago, Peterlag said:

Well, if you're finding water baptism or circumcision in Revelation. Then that would not fit with the new covenant where those things no longer matter in Christ. 

I was asking you why it doesn't fit per your statement. I mentioned nothing about circumcision or water baptism.

Do you know whether or not Revelation talks about circumcision or water baptism?

[Alive]

1 minute ago, Peterlag said:

Hebrews 8:6-8
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Everybody understands about the new covenant--its fundamental to our faith.

This in no way says what you have implied, however. Did you read my post above where I quoted Timothy?

[Frits]

15 minutes ago, Peterlag said:

Well, if you're finding water baptism or circumcision in Revelation. Then that would not fit with the new covenant where those things no longer matter in Christ. 

@Peterlag

In Dutch the term "baptism" can be read in two ways, as a verb but also as the plural form of the noun "baptism".
Your English language doesn't have this latent confusion, it says very clearly "babtism" (singular) or "babtims" (plural).
A question to Peterlag:
What different baptisms are referred to at Hebrews 6:2?

[Peterlag]

1 hour ago, Alive said:

I was asking you why it doesn't fit per your statement. I mentioned nothing about circumcision or water baptism.

Do you know whether or not Revelation talks about circumcision or water baptism?

No I do not. I stay out of the book because I do not believe it applies to the Christian.

[Peterlag]

1 hour ago, Alive said:

Everybody understands about the new covenant--its fundamental to our faith.

This in no way says what you have implied, however. Did you read my post above where I quoted Timothy?

If everyone understands about the new covenant. Then can we stop with all this water and law that was from the old covenant. I'm sure I saw your Timothy but don't understand where you are going with all Scripture is God Breath. That does not mean all Scripture applies to everyone.

[Peterlag]

1 hour ago, Frits said:

@Peterlag

In Dutch the term "baptism" can be read in two ways, as a verb but also as the plural form of the noun "baptism".
Your English language doesn't have this latent confusion, it says very clearly "babtism" (singular) or "babtims" (plural).
A question to Peterlag:
What different baptisms are referred to at Hebrews 6:2?

It is either talking about the old testament baptism or the new testament that deals with what Christ did for us that has nothing to do with water. Either way it means nothing to me because I have already been baptized in Christ when he rose from the dead.

[Frits]

7 hours ago, Peterlag said:

It is either talking about the old testament baptism or the new testament that deals with what Christ did for us that has nothing to do with water. Either way it means nothing to me because I have already been baptized in Christ when he rose from the dead.

@Peterlag

It cannot refer to the OT, for Paul states very clearly in Heb.6:1 that it is about the doctrine of Christ.
So NT, that's for sure.

And then a second and a third question:

Why do you think the Lord Jesus was immersed in the Jordan by John the Baptist? 

And what does it mean to you when the Lord Jesus said:

Joh 13:15 KJV For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.

The Lord Jesus Christ is THE great example for us Christians.
Our obedience to God is shown by our desire to live like our Great Exemplar Jesus.  Do we teach what He taught, and do what He did?

Does Peterlag take itself seriously?  More important, does Peterlag take the words of the Lord Jesus seriously?

The Lord Jesus allowed himself to be immersed in water, that's certain. (Mt.3:16)

Will you follow the example your Master set for you?