Babies in heaven seems unfair

[Guest clancy]

1 hour ago, Justin Adams said:

Mom was a sinner, but me as a baby only inherited death. Not guilt. Sure, I will sin considering the world I have come into, but a new born child is NOT a sinner - just prone to eventually sin. Big difference!

Amen!!...we inherited sin/ death.

Edited February 5, 2021 by clancy

[grahampaul]

39 minutes ago, appy said:

 

As to the mention in the thread, of whether aborted babies make it to heaven and be with the Lord forever. We might take a look at 2 Samual 12:23.

But now that he is dead, why should I go on fasting? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me.”

do we have the right chapter and verse here?

[grahampaul]

37 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

 

The point I was making with the passage is that morality can not be ascribed to tissue, but it can be ascribed to a person. And therefore, making the point that a baby is not just a blob of tissue, but a living and breathing person.

And has a spirit(ruach)which returns to God at death.

[grahampaul]

though i am not sure wether it is given to the babe at conception or birth.

[grahampaul]

8 hours ago, Beppybuva said:

There is a heartbeat. 

A dog has heartbeat.

[AnOrangeCat]

On 2/4/2021 at 2:04 AM, Beppybuva said:

Do miscarried, aborted, stillborn , etc. babies go to heaven?  Because if they do, it seems almost unfair. Why do they get to go to heaven while the rest of us suffer here on earth. Why couldn’t we have gone straight to heaven?  

Why are we here?  To learn and grow close to Jesus?  Ok then why are the babies able to skip that and go straight to heaven?

If babies can be given some type of exception and be admitted into heaven then why can’t we all be given that exception?  Why can’t we all just be allowed into heaven when we want to be?

Luke 12:47-48 might be relevant.

“The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked."

This is one of many verses that demonstrate that God is fair and just. I'm extrapolating here but unborn children didn't know the will of God and did nothing wrong. In Matthew 20:1-16 we see another parable where a man hires workers to work in his vineyard for a set amount. As the day goes by he recruits more workers. Some labored from the start, others later in the day, and others in the very last stretch. All of them were rewarded equally. When the earlier workers complained about it the land owner illustrated his fairness in paying the workers what they agreed on and his generosity in paying the earlier ones the same. I think that when we pair these two parables it demonstrates God's character and way of thinking in dealing with this sort of thing. A person who's sinned their whole life can genuinely cry out to God for forgiveness on their deathbed and be accepted. God showing mercy to those who die when they're too young to understand is very much in the same vein.

[Justin Adams]

31 minutes ago, grahampaul said:

And has a spirit(ruach)which returns to God at death.

Not my quote.

[Justin Adams]

13 hours ago, grahampaul said:

ok pure comjecture and just my thoughts.surely a baby in the womb is of its own just flesh and bone and  not a living being in its own right,.and not having drawm breath and  so no life of its own as in soul life other than that given by its mother,and at death would return to dust.

A baby is separate and unique in the womb. It is an IMAGER of the Most High God.

Many premies live well.

Edited February 5, 2021 by Justin Adams

[appy]

27 minutes ago, grahampaul said:

though i am not sure wether it is given to the babe at conception or birth.

 

Why would it not? Humans are body, soul and spirit....

The soul is the essence of humanity’s being; it is who we are. The spirit is the immaterial part of humanity that connects with God.  Scripture says that John the Baptist while in Elizabeth's womb reacted to the sound of Mary's voice... so...

If all John was.... is just a warm blob in Elizabeth's womb, without soul or spirit. There would not of been any reaction upon Mary's greeting. 

Luke 1:40-41
where she entered the home of Zechariah and greeted Elizabeth. When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb,

 

[appy]

1 hour ago, grahampaul said:

do we have the right chapter and verse here?

Why do you think I have the wrong verse?  re: 2 Samuel 12:23