THE ESSENCE OF JESUS MESSAGE

[Your closest friendnt]

52 minutes ago, Sower said:

"You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. John 15, 3

God is light. Jesus is God. Jesus is the Word. The Word is Light!
Putting the word/light in your mind will chase out the old darkness.
It has worked for me, Questions, and will work for you.
God said so;

"I have hidden your word in my heart that I might not sin against you" Psalm 119:11


 

Response 

2 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

 

Not saying anything against it. 

But the conclusion you gave it is not something that comes instantly. 

Or overnight and not by inviting other confusions in ignorance into our mind.

Continuously expecting the Holy Spirit to work with us as we are.

The Holy Spirit's work with us is ongoing. 

So baby steps and careful where we stand, but as we stand in this place or the other the most important is to stand with Jesus Christ to have the belief in us that Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of our sins and that God has honored him and he has put him above all things and made Jesus Christ Lord and Judge of all.

The ruler over all.

We have to be careful when we use the word God and read the old testament books.

Because for more than one reason, hope you can see it for yourself and do not give misguided instructions to others, because when we say something most of the time we have a concept in our minds and the audience also have some concept in their minds which may not always be the same. 

Many say "Amen" and the next moment they say things to the contrary. 

We read something Jesus Christ said, and everyone says "Amen " because Jesus Christ said it.

Not because we all understand the same thing or that we all understood what Jesus Christ had in his mind when he said something. 

So I have found that you are not disclosing everything in your representations and you are leaving out gaps in your presentation. 

So may I asked you what was the darkness as you call it, and without being specific you may say the nature of it. 

Because Catholics are not lost, they are loved by Jesus Christ.

Only those do not believe and we can't judge the book from its cover.

So why you believe were not saved when you were in the Catholic dogma. 

 

 

[Waggles]

5 hours ago, Questioning said:

The problem I have with that is, the Holy Ghost seems to give different people different answers to the same question.

Now you see one of the great problems with believing the "essence" of the gospel of Jesus and the apostles as written.

Not all, in fact most, Christians who claim that they have the indwelling Holy Spirit do not have the Spirit of God as they believe the teachings of their churches and not what Jesus promised.

The Church of Rome in becoming a State religion and obtaining worldly power reinvented Christian faith and doctrine. The Reformation never returned faith and doctrine back to its first century roots but rather developed doctrines in response to the failings of the Roman church and the Papacy. 

People need to compare their faith and doctrine stringently against the word of God and then believe ALL of it as true and to embrace fully what is written for us to do. 

As you would know many Bibles, scholars, churches and ministers do not believe in all of scripture, and like Rome declare that many verses are no longer applicable or that they do not mean the same today as when first written. The theology of unbelief.

So do you believe Jesus when he stated the following: 

Mark 16:15  And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation.
16  He that believes and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believes not shall be damned. 
17  And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 
18  They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. 

I believed these verses and I experienced them to be true. Sadly most do not believe and then go on to deny the truth of scripture.

[Frits]

2 hours ago, clancy said:

What does that mean?

Like a different measure of faith given.?

Hi Clancy,

You can only believe what you know, what you have read in the Bible, or what you have heard from it. 
Some people know more about God than others. Paul talks about this in his Ephesus letter:

Efe 4:13 KJV Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ

[Guest clancy]

12 minutes ago, Waggles said:

Now you see one of the great problems with believing the "essence" of the gospel of Jesus and the apostles as written.

Not all, in fact most, Christians who claim that they have the indwelling Holy Spirit do not have the Spirit of God as they believe the teachings of their churches and not what Jesus promised.

 

 

How would you personally know, that they don’t have the Spirit of God?

God testifies to our spirit that we are his child.

Did God testify that to your spirit?

 

[Waggles]

4 minutes ago, clancy said:

How would you personally know, that they don’t have the Spirit of God?

God testifies to our spirit that we are his child.

Did God testify that to your spirit?

@Questioning and now you see why there are thousands of denominations from one gospel.

The same problem as in the Garden of Eden still exists today. 

[Guest clancy]

10 minutes ago, Waggles said:

@Questioning and now you see why there are thousands of denominations from one gospel.

The same problem as in the Garden of Eden still exists today. 

That wasn’t really the answer to my question.

But if that’s the only answer you have, fair enough.

 

Did God testify to your spirit?

can you answer that?

Edited February 12, 2021 by clancy

[Justin Adams]

The essence of Yeshua and His message should be founded on love. Sometimes our views become heated or even fearful since we are mostly from differing backgrounds and faith origins. Attempting to explain the OP should be our 'normal'. Give a reason for the hope that lies within.

Some of us are more hopeful than others and may come across as overbearing and full of ourselves. If we could do the 'less of me and more of Him idea' it would be advisable, but we all see in a glass darkly and from differing angles somewhat.

It is so easy for me to get carried away with my own ten cents worth and overlook what others might be needing or asking for. If in our darkest times we can be humble and admit to not knowing everything, perhaps the Lord will take our foolish words and speak to someone. We are all on the same path and direction (I hope) and therefore we should be prone to come alongside those that perhaps need either a 'nudge' or a 'lift', depending on their circumstances. We are the Lord's proxies really and should be about representing Him and imaging Him, doing what He would do in a given circumstance.

[Waggles]

10 minutes ago, clancy said:

Did God testify to your spirit?

can you answer that?

Of course he did - that is why the Holy Spirit is also called the Spirit of truth who teaches us of Jesus and of scripture.

Furthermore my faith and doctrine is in full compliance with the gospels (especially in John and the promises of the Holy Ghost), Acts and the epistles (written to the Spirit-filled church). 

My life has been miraculously transformed and healed, I can pray daily in tongues = praying in the Spirit, I enjoy numerous miracles, healings and blessings not just for myself but for others.

Even my worldly daughter cannot deny she received an instant healing when I laid hands on her and prayed in tongues. 

1Cor 14:26  What then, brothers? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for building up.

And in compliance with scripture this is exactly how we conduct our Pentecostal worship service. 

I believed the word of God and I was baptised by full immersion and also baptised in the Holy Spirit with the Bible evidence of speaking in tongues, exactly the same as Cornelius and his household. 

[Guest clancy]

3 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

The essence of Yeshua and His message should be founded on love. Sometimes our views become heated or even fearful since we are mostly from differing backgrounds and faith origins. Attempting to explain the OP should be our 'normal'. Give a reason for the hope that lies within.

Some of us are more hopeful than others and may come across as overbearing and full of ourselves. If we could do the 'less of me and more of Him idea' it would be advisable, but we all see in a glass darkly and from differing angles somewhat.

It is so easy for me to get carried away with my own ten cents worth and overlook what others might be needing or asking for. If in our darkest times we can be humble and admit to not knowing everything, perhaps the Lord will take our foolish words and speak to someone. We are all on the same path and direction (I hope) and therefore we should be prone to come alongside those that perhaps need either a 'nudge' or a 'lift', depending on their circumstances. We are the Lord's proxies really and should be about representing Him and imaging Him, doing what He would do in a given circumstance.

Excellent post....more of Him and less of us, most definitely Justin Adams.?

[Sower]

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Not saying anything against it. 

But the conclusion you gave it is not something that comes instantly. 

Or overnight and not by inviting other confusions in ignorance into our mind.

Thank you Closest Friend for your reply.I have been thinking on what you said.
I have grown as God's spirit has enabled me as a believer  over the last forty plus years to have some understanding. I share with others as best I know how, as I am led. There is victory in Jesus, drinking on the milk or chewing the meat.
Truth is truth, and I will continue to share it.
It was the word that came alive when I read it, heard it, that changed my thinking.
I tried to explain that this word is light, truth, that will expose the lies (darkness) that has been put into my mind during my formative years, and within the teachings of the RCC for thirty years. These lies (darkness) were illuminated (in my mind)when I read/heard the the word, the truth. This changed my thinking I (repented=changed thinking) I heard enough light/word/truth to cry out to God for salvation mercy.
He heard me.
I do not know how the holy spirit works in you or others.
I do know I do not hear a voice. Maybe not even impressions.
But His word speaks very loud, and I hear it loud and clear. Even  subconsciously.
I do not have great retention, chapter and verse, but the word is in me, and I try to allow this truth to come out in my walk, and I know the difference now about being spirit controlled.
The RCC I grew up in (all school through high school) taught with the catachesim, their RCC doctrine, not the bible, God's truth. I was an altar boy and gave Latin responses serving Mass, sometimes 6 Days a week.
I was loaded down with false teachings. Bad data.
I tried earlier to explain the way God worked in my life was exposing all those lies I was taught still in my mind, to the light of the gospel. God through His word reprogrammed my mind. I was blind (from darkness). Now I see (the light)
No, you're right, YCF, it does not happen instantly. But it does happen. The more word I received, that changed my thinking, had results. This increased my faith. That is a biggie. I learned to trust God more. His promises are true. All of them.

7 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

We have to be careful when we use the word God and read the old testament books.

I read proverbs Psalms Joshua Eccl mostly, but focus in the NT.
I do not dig as most here do, but try to use what I do know more  effectively.

 

7 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Because for more than one reason, hope you can see it for yourself and do not give misguided instructions to others, because when we say something most of the time we have a concept in our minds and the audience also have some concept in their minds which may not always be the same

That is why I sometimes  give lengthy reply's, to insure understanding.  I feel on this forum it unnecessary to  ask permission in order to share my belief's and experiences to help others. Sorry you saw it as 'misguided instruction'.

 

8 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

So I have found that you are not disclosing everything in your representations and you are leaving out gaps in your presentation. 

So may I asked you what was the darkness as you call it, and without being specific you may say the nature of it. 

 I said above in this post (and the original post) about my indoctrination in the RCC, all the false teaching (darkness) that I was taught. 
I had to unlearn it, by hearing the word of God, Light. Seems simple.
 

 

8 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Because Catholics are not lost, they are loved by Jesus Christ.

Only those do not believe and we can't judge the book from its cover.

So why you believe were not saved when you were in the Catholic dogma. 

I love all catholics, as most of my friends and relatives are catholic. And I have great joy being able to share the gospel with them. Most every catholic I know or encounter, with very few exceptions, are unlearned about the bible and scripture.
Most do not know, or maybe never heard that they must be saved, born again.
They believe their confirmation at age 12-15yrs  is the same. The RCC states in their dogma that it is a sin to think you are saved, as that is the sin of presumption, presuming upon God. It is a sin also to believe you are a saint, as scripture says it is.
Salvation in RCC is WORKS. Not by grace alone. I challenge you or anybody prove me wrong. There are many saved catholics I feel sure.
I only know in my family of catholics, parents, siblings, aunts and uncles, I have one brother whom I know is saved. The rest mostly still believe the false RCC.
So yes, I will always talk to anybody about the gospel that the spirit leads me to, whatever whoever whenever. I remember that old faithful brother who proclaimed the gospel to me the first time I heard it, and it's my (our)duty to do likewise.
It all comes back to the word.   Life.