Why?Why?Why?Why?Why?

[CarolineS]

I'm sure this topic won't thrill those who are facinated with the law but I'm honestly curious why there seems to be more focus and devotion to the Law than on Christ. I'm beginning to wonder if we need a new forum just for the certain few so they can observe their laws, discuss it amongst themselves and praise one another for keeping them to their standards.

Thank you.

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I can understand where Tess is coming from to a certain degree.

First of all, this is a discussion board. People are going to disagree. Because we are just people and we see things differently. I don't mind discussing issues and considering other viewpoints. However, we must hold to scripture and scripture alone, sola scriptoria. I think it is a great way to learn and grow in our Christian walk. Are we not to study together and share with one another truths that are revealed to us? As we study God's word and learn, we are to share that light with others.

However, I do not like it when a thread spirals down into name calling and insults, and sarcasm. We are to speak to each other in grace and love. If we can't do that, we should excuse ourself from certain topics.

Second, I don't have a problem with people who are zealous and passionate about their beliefs. We should be passionate about God's word. It is more important than ever, in these last days, to speak out in truth. There is much false teaching, and traditions that are followed instead of God's truth. As long as we search God's word and rely on it for the final word.

Lastly, this whole thread and the post Tess started with is like prophecy being fulfilled. That is what makes this whole issue so interesting. Jesus said, "Do you suppose that I came to give peace on earth? I tell you, not at all, but rather division." Luke 12:51

Many of the parables that Jesus told illustrated division. The sheep and the goats,

the wise and the foolish virgins, the sower and the good soil and bad soil, the wheat and the tares, those who will worship the beast and those who won't, etc.

We are going to see people polarized into two groups in the last days. We can even see it here on WB. I think this polarization will become more defined as time goes on.

We need to be in the word. We need to follow the teaching of Christ. Not the traditions of men. We need to compare what religious leaders are teaching to what the Bible teaches. When Jesus came the first time the religious leaders were so blind they missed His first advent. They were so blind, they didn't recognize Him as He walked among them. They were blindly leading the people in deception with much of their teaching. Jesus calls us to follow Him, not the world. We are to be non-conformists in this day and age. Should the church be like the world? Can we even recognize a christian in our day to day interactions with people, or has the church become so like the world we can't tell them apart?

As far as us who follow the law.....I could say so much. We just want to follow Christ, and not the lie of Satan that says it is impossible to keep the Ten Commandments; and that they are done away with. We believe the law is righteous and good, it is our moral compass. Jesus said in the last days there will be an increase in lawlessness, and the love of many will grow cold. Could this teaching that the Ten Commandments were nailed to the cross have some bearing on this?

One of the themes in the book of Revelation seems to be how Satan will turn his fury on God's people, on those who keep the commandments of God in the last days. "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Rev. 12:17

So we are not trying to keep to our standards in these last days, but to God's standards. We don't want to conform to the way of the world. We want to be a people set apart by God. We are not trying to observe our laws, as Tess stated,

but we are trying to observe God's laws. And as far as separating us from others on this forum -- don't worry, that will happen; not only here, but everywhere in the world.

In Christ,

CarolineS

[Guest Zayit]

Funny or not, she's accusing Tess of being no better than a Nazi who would have us put into ghettos. I find it offensive.

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And I find it offensive someone wants to segregate me into a separate forum.

Again, you judge and think the worst of me.

I never called her no better than a Nazi, apparently you don't even know your own history. And you credit that pig with the idea as well.

Ghettos were formed centuries before Hitler was even born. It has even been called that in Roman times where our people were deported and segregated out. And the Catholic Popes did it and on and on it went. I guess now the only difference is if you are Jewish and you have converted, or you are Jewish and remain so when you accept Yeshua.

Suggesting a forum where only people like me are allowed to posts our "legalist "topics and "pat each other on the back" when we follow the law, is nothing short of segregation. You can't explain it away by calling foul, don't call her a Nazi. I didn't , but she wanted to put me and my kind out of the sites of her board so she and others won't have to read my heretical posts.

You really should meditate on what kind of spirit that is.

[Trust & Obey]

I'm sure this topic won't thrill those who are facinated with the law but I'm honestly curious why there seems to be more focus and devotion to the Law than on Christ. I'm beginning to wonder if we need a new forum just for the certain few so they can observe their laws, discuss it amongst themselves and praise one another for keeping them to their standards.

Thank you.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I can understand where Tess is coming from to a certain degree.

First of all, this is a discussion board. People are going to disagree. Because we are just people and we see things differently. I don't mind discussing issues and considering other viewpoints. However, we must hold to scripture and scripture alone, sola scriptoria. I think it is a great way to learn and grow in our Christian walk. Are we not to study together and share with one another truths that are revealed to us? As we study God's word and learn, we are to share that light with others.

However, I do not like it when a thread spirals down into name calling and insults, and sarcasm. We are to speak to each other in grace and love. If we can't do that, we should excuse ourself from certain topics.

Second, I don't have a problem with people who are zealous and passionate about their beliefs. We should be passionate about God's word. It is more important than ever, in these last days, to speak out in truth. There is much false teaching, and traditions that are followed instead of God's truth. As long as we search God's word and rely on it for the final word.

Lastly, this whole thread and the post Tess started with is like prophecy being fulfilled. That is what makes this whole issue so interesting. Jesus said, "Do you suppose that I came to give peace on earth? I tell you, not at all, but rather division." Luke 12:51

Many of the parables that Jesus told illustrated division. The sheep and the goats,

the wise and the foolish virgins, the sower and the good soil and bad soil, the wheat and the tares, those who will worship the beast and those who won't, etc.

We are going to see people polarized into two groups in the last days. We can even see it here on WB. I think this polarization will become more defined as time goes on.

We need to be in the word. We need to follow the teaching of Christ. Not the traditions of men. We need to compare what religious leaders are teaching to what the Bible teaches. When Jesus came the first time the religious leaders were so blind they missed His first advent. They were so blind, they didn't recognize Him as He walked among them. They were blindly leading the people in deception with much of their teaching. Jesus calls us to follow Him, not the world. We are to be non-conformists in this day and age. Should the church be like the world? Can we even recognize a christian in our day to day interactions with people, or has the church become so like the world we can't tell them apart?

As far as us who follow the law.....I could say so much. We just want to follow Christ, and not the lie of Satan that says it is impossible to keep the Ten Commandments; and that they are done away with. We believe the law is righteous and good, it is our moral compass. Jesus said in the last days there will be an increase in lawlessness, and the love of many will grow cold. Could this teaching that the Ten Commandments were nailed to the cross have some bearing on this?

One of the themes in the book of Revelation seems to be how Satan will turn his fury on God's people, on those who keep the commandments of God in the last days. "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Rev. 12:17

So we are not trying to keep to our standards in these last days, but to God's standards. We don't want to conform to the way of the world. We want to be a people set apart by God. We are not trying to observe our laws, as Tess stated,

but we are trying to observe God's laws. And as far as separating us from others on this forum -- don't worry, that will happen; not only here, but everywhere in the world.

In Christ,

CarolineS

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Caroline, please tell me I'm misunderstanding you when I sense you likening us "non-Mosaic law believers" to the goats and other non-believers.

[Trust & Obey]

Funny or not, she's accusing Tess of being no better than a Nazi who would have us put into ghettos. I find it offensive.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

And I find it offensive someone wants to segregate me into a separate forum.

Again, you judge and think the worst of me.

I never called her no better than a Nazi, apparently you don't even know your own history. And you credit that pig with the idea as well.

Ghettos were formed centuries before Hitler was even born. It has even been called that in Roman times where our people were deported and segregated out. And the Catholic Popes did it and on and on it went. I guess now the only difference is if you are Jewish and you have converted, or you are Jewish and remain so when you accept Yeshua.

Suggesting a forum where only people like me are allowed to posts our "legalist "topics and "pat each other on the back" when we follow the law, is nothing short of segregation. You can't explain it away by calling foul, don't call her a Nazi. I didn't , but she wanted to put me and my kind out of the sites of her board so she and others won't have to read my heretical posts.

You really should meditate on what kind of spirit that is.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Everybody just needs to relax a little bit and look at the big picture.

1Jo 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

1Jo 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

1Jo 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

[Guest Zayit]

I'm sure this topic won't thrill those who are facinated with the law but I'm honestly curious why there seems to be more focus and devotion to the Law than on Christ. I'm beginning to wonder if we need a new forum just for the certain few so they can observe their laws, discuss it amongst themselves and praise one another for keeping them to their standards.

Thank you.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I can understand where Tess is coming from to a certain degree.

First of all, this is a discussion board. People are going to disagree. Because we are just people and we see things differently. I don't mind discussing issues and considering other viewpoints. However, we must hold to scripture and scripture alone, sola scriptoria. I think it is a great way to learn and grow in our Christian walk. Are we not to study together and share with one another truths that are revealed to us? As we study God's word and learn, we are to share that light with others.

However, I do not like it when a thread spirals down into name calling and insults, and sarcasm. We are to speak to each other in grace and love. If we can't do that, we should excuse ourself from certain topics.

Second, I don't have a problem with people who are zealous and passionate about their beliefs. We should be passionate about God's word. It is more important than ever, in these last days, to speak out in truth. There is much false teaching, and traditions that are followed instead of God's truth. As long as we search God's word and rely on it for the final word.

Lastly, this whole thread and the post Tess started with is like prophecy being fulfilled. That is what makes this whole issue so interesting. Jesus said, "Do you suppose that I came to give peace on earth? I tell you, not at all, but rather division." Luke 12:51

Many of the parables that Jesus told illustrated division. The sheep and the goats,

the wise and the foolish virgins, the sower and the good soil and bad soil, the wheat and the tares, those who will worship the beast and those who won't, etc.

We are going to see people polarized into two groups in the last days. We can even see it here on WB. I think this polarization will become more defined as time goes on.

We need to be in the word. We need to follow the teaching of Christ. Not the traditions of men. We need to compare what religious leaders are teaching to what the Bible teaches. When Jesus came the first time the religious leaders were so blind they missed His first advent. They were so blind, they didn't recognize Him as He walked among them. They were blindly leading the people in deception with much of their teaching. Jesus calls us to follow Him, not the world. We are to be non-conformists in this day and age. Should the church be like the world? Can we even recognize a christian in our day to day interactions with people, or has the church become so like the world we can't tell them apart?

As far as us who follow the law.....I could say so much. We just want to follow Christ, and not the lie of Satan that says it is impossible to keep the Ten Commandments; and that they are done away with. We believe the law is righteous and good, it is our moral compass. Jesus said in the last days there will be an increase in lawlessness, and the love of many will grow cold. Could this teaching that the Ten Commandments were nailed to the cross have some bearing on this?

One of the themes in the book of Revelation seems to be how Satan will turn his fury on God's people, on those who keep the commandments of God in the last days. "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Rev. 12:17

So we are not trying to keep to our standards in these last days, but to God's standards. We don't want to conform to the way of the world. We want to be a people set apart by God. We are not trying to observe our laws, as Tess stated,

but we are trying to observe God's laws. And as far as separating us from others on this forum -- don't worry, that will happen; not only here, but everywhere in the world.

In Christ,

CarolineS

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yes it will and I can feel the hot breath breathing down my neck. he tries every way he can to shut me up, to make me feel embarrasment, non conforming, hurt, tongue lashing and outright hatred. I recoil but the L-rD urges me on, who shall I harken to?

As Yeshua prayed to the Father the night before his last: Sanctify them through they truth,: Thy word is truth.

L-Rd to whom would we go? you alone have the words to eternal life.

[other one]

I have a better idea..... just dont read the law theads

I think I'll take my own advice....

[apothanein kerdos]

Funny or not, she's accusing Tess of being no better than a Nazi who would have us put into ghettos. I find it offensive.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

And I find it offensive someone wants to segregate me into a separate forum.

Again, you judge and think the worst of me.

I never called her no better than a Nazi, apparently you don't even know your own history. And you credit that pig with the idea as well.

Ghettos were formed centuries before Hitler was even born. It has even been called that in Roman times where our people were deported and segregated out. And the Catholic Popes did it and on and on it went. I guess now the only difference is if you are Jewish and you have converted, or you are Jewish and remain so when you accept Yeshua.

Suggesting a forum where only people like me are allowed to posts our "legalist "topics and "pat each other on the back" when we follow the law, is nothing short of segregation. You can't explain it away by calling foul, don't call her a Nazi. I didn't , but she wanted to put me and my kind out of the sites of her board so she and others won't have to read my heretical posts.

You really should meditate on what kind of spirit that is.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Your topics do need a seperate forum because:

1) They flood the boards

2) They violate scriptural principle

Likewise, so you are saying comparing her to an inquisator, or an anti-semetic landlord is somehow better than comparing her to a Nazi? Your words may be tainted with sugar, but they still stab like a dagger.

[mrs]

I have a better idea.....  just dont read the law theads

I think I'll take my own advice....

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Lol that sounds like a good idea.Personally I think threads on God's grace or His character would be a better way to spend our time.

[CarolineS]

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Caroline, please tell me I'm misunderstanding you when I sense you likening us "non-Mosaic law believers" to the goats and other non-believers. 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I am not sure I understand what you are saying. The point I was trying to make is that when Christ returns people will be divided into two groups. Those that follow Jesus and keep His commandments and those that are worldly and don't keep His commandments. There are only two groups of people. There is no middle ground. People are being polarized right now into one group or the other.

Another thought, when Jesus was on trial a large crowd had gathered. They began to yell, "Crucify Him! Crucify Him!" The mob ruled that day. The majority was in control of the situation. Well, the mob or majority was wrong. Sometimes it is not good to follow the crowd. Sometimes it is good to be a non-conformist.

It is better to study God's word for yourself and not follow the crowd or some blind religious leader of the day. Happy Sabbath everyone!

In Christ,

CarolineS

[apothanein kerdos]

SO following the law is what secures salvation? That is what you're saying.

I guess because I'm eating my bacon cheeseburger with cheese and mayo right now I'm going to hell.

At least others don't take it that far. Zayit and co. at least don't say it's essential for salvation....to say the law is essential for salvation is when it does become heretical.