Do We Still Have A Sin Nature

[Who me]

15 hours ago, Peterlag said:

Romans is the same. Roman 10:9-10 is talking to Christians. Guys like the Apostle Paul was preaching to saints and non-saints in many of the epistles.

So we All have a sinful nature.

[Peterlag]

9 hours ago, Waggles said:

OK I think we are sort of all saying the same thing but using different language.

I get where you are coming from @Peterlag but your claim to having no sin nature and not sinning at all just comes across too good to be true.

I am perfect in all my ways [just ask my beautiful granddaughters] but even I do err [occasionally] and do wrong. I know this by conscience and also the Spirit within grieves me and informs me that what I have thought or done is not pleasing to God. 

So even though I am such a goody goody I need to pray in the Spirit, confess and be contrite. Then all is forgiven and I move on. 

@Waggles I too make mistakes every hour but don't see them as sin nor do I see a need to confess my mistakes because I don't believe God sees my mistakes as sin.

[Peterlag]

9 hours ago, Waggles said:

Rev 7:13  Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, “Who are these, clothed in white robes, and from where have they come?” 
7:14  I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 

Rev 12:11  And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death.

Hebrews 9:12  he [Jesus] entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. 
9:13  For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh, 
9:14  how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God. 

Romans 4:5 And to one who does not work but trusts him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness. 6 So also David pronounces a blessing upon the man to whom God reckons righteousness apart from works:

7 “Blessed are those whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered;
8 blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not reckon his sin.”  [Psalm 32:1-2]

Your above Scripture are all out of the New Testament. Even Romans 4:1-7 has a context of being all Old Testament from Abraham to David. Christ did not cover us with anything. He obliterated our sin nature.

[Peterlag]

4 hours ago, Who me said:

So we All have a sinful nature.

Sorry it was just a typo. Romans 10:9-10 is NOT talking to Christians. The Bible is preaching to believers and unbelievers. 1 John that talks about confessing is for the non-believer who has not yet been born again. Same with Romans 10:9-10

[Starise]

3 minutes ago, Peterlag said:

@Waggles I too make mistakes every hour but don't see them as sin nor do I see a need to confess my mistakes because I don't believe God sees my mistakes as sin.

A mistake and a sin can be two different things. While a sin is a mistake not all mistakes are sins. If you forgot to use a turn signal merging onto traffic, you simply forgot. That wasn't sin it was forgetfulness or complacency.

SIN OTOH is when you see something you know is wrong and you do it anyway. We should always confess our sins even though they are all forgiven past present and future. Repenting is to turn away from it. If you don't repent as a Christian and continue to sin you will be disciplined.

God does not see sin as an eternal condemnation against you if you are covered under the blood of Christ. Yet if you continually follow your sin nature instead of your Spiritual nature, God will not let it slide. Like unjust Lot who lost his wife and compromised himself by living in Sodom or the prodigal son who left his father for a life of sin and eventually realized how cruel and empty the world really was, the true Christian eventually comes to their senses and returns by the Lord's  love and discipline.

[Riverwalker]

13 minutes ago, Peterlag said:

I too make mistakes every hour but don't see them as sin nor do I see a need to confess my mistakes because I don't believe God sees my mistakes as sin.

When we start changing definitions, and discounting the meaning of scripture to support our desired agenda, we must step back and re-evaluate. There is just WAY too much in the New Testament and Gospels about avoiding sin and doing the right thing to ever support the idea that we are sin free. 

We are the beneficiaries of the grace of God. We are not sin free, we are forgiven.

1st John: 7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

[enoob57]

1 hour ago, Peterlag said:

1 hour ago, Peterlag said:

@Waggles I too make mistakes every hour but don't see them as sin nor do I see a need to confess my mistakes because I don't believe God sees my mistakes as sin.

Well that’s redefining the word perfect! Right?

[Who me]

5 hours ago, Peterlag said:

Sorry it was just a typo. Romans 10:9-10 is NOT talking to Christians. The Bible is preaching to believers and unbelievers. 1 John that talks about confessing is for the non-believer who has not yet been born again. Same with Romans 10:9-10

Yet 1 John  constantly uses ' we ' it does not distinguish between saved and unsaved, it is only those who would split hairs to prove umbilical ideas who do this.

Both Paul and John wrote letters addressing Christians.

[Waggles]

10 minutes ago, Who me said:

umbilical

I am hoping you mean unbiblical ideas ... 

Edited March 16, 2021 by Waggles

[Peterlag]

6 hours ago, Starise said:

A mistake and a sin can be two different things. While a sin is a mistake not all mistakes are sins. If you forgot to use a turn signal merging onto traffic, you simply forgot. That wasn't sin it was forgetfulness or complacency.

SIN OTOH is when you see something you know is wrong and you do it anyway. We should always confess our sins even though they are all forgiven past present and future. Repenting is to turn away from it. If you don't repent as a Christian and continue to sin you will be disciplined.

God does not see sin as an eternal condemnation against you if you are covered under the blood of Christ. Yet if you continually follow your sin nature instead of your Spiritual nature, God will not let it slide. Like unjust Lot who lost his wife and compromised himself by living in Sodom or the prodigal son who left his father for a life of sin and eventually realized how cruel and empty the world really was, the true Christian eventually comes to their senses and returns by the Lord's  love and discipline.

You see I just don't see this "confess the sins deal." I think it was the Catholics that came up with this idea in the second and then again in the forth century. And it's been taught ever since like if it's the Word of God.