Do We Still Have A Sin Nature

[Waggles]

14 minutes ago, Peterlag said:

The old self is entirely obliterated once the spirit of Christ enters the Christian.

Hey I got short changed. For there are definitely remnants of the old self in me. 

[Peterlag]

11 minutes ago, clancy said:

We are a new creation when we are born again....we still have sinful thoughts, yes or no?

Our minds are being renewed.

 

i am born again...I have sinful thoughts......yet I am still saved, my mind is being renewed by the Holy Spirit.

I don't have sinful thoughts when I'm in Christ. Could it be possible that I tapped into something awesome?

[Hopefully]

“We know that the law is spiritual, but I am not. I am so human. Sin rules me as if I were its slave. I don’t understand why I act the way I do. I don’t do the good I want to do, and I do the evil I hate. And if I don’t want to do what I do, that means I agree that the law is good.

But I am not really the one doing the evil. It is sin living in me that does it. Yes, I know that nothing good lives in me—I mean nothing good lives in the part of me that is not spiritual. I want to do what is good, but I don’t do it. I don’t do the good that I want to do. I do the evil that I don’t want to do. So if I do what I don’t want to do, then I am not really the one doing it. It is the sin living in me that does it.

So I have learned this rule: When I want to do good, evil is there with me. In my mind I am happy with God’s law. But I see another law working in my body. That law makes war against the law that my mind accepts. That other law working in my body is the law of sin, and that law makes me its prisoner. What a miserable person I am! Who will save me from this body that brings me death? I thank God for his salvation through Jesus Christ our Lord! So in my mind I am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful self I am a slave to the law of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:14-25‬ ‭

Edited March 11, 2021 by Hopefully

[Waggles]

1 minute ago, Peterlag said:

Could it be possible that I tapped into something awesome?

Self denial can be delusional. 

[Duck]

2 minutes ago, Peterlag said:

I don't have sinful thoughts when I'm in Christ. Could it be possible that I tapped into something awesome?

You have. People who never experienced that, simply wont get it. 

Thankyou

[Guest clancy]

7 minutes ago, Peterlag said:

I don't have sinful thoughts when I'm in Christ. Could it be possible that I tapped into something awesome?

Are you actually saying, that you have never had an ungodly thought,since becoming born again?

We are all Gods children....none more special than the other.

Edited March 11, 2021 by clancy

[OneLight]

14 minutes ago, Peterlag said:

I don't follow Andrew Wommack nor do I follow Andrew Farley. But all three of us make sense on the subject of the new nature that God has given us at the time of our new birth. A new birth means a completely different kid is born in Christ.

I don't think you will find anyone in this thread that does not agree with being born again, but you take it further when you opened this thread with:

On 3/9/2021 at 5:58 PM, Peterlag said:

I see the "sin nature" as something that existed before Jesus Christ destroyed it when the spirit of Christ came within the believer. This spirit is indeed a life form that is in all Christians and it seems to me one cannot understand and therefore function or be in the spirit if our old nature (which is dead) thinks in it's unrenewed mind that it suppose to be fighting against the new nature.

Our flesh is in constant battle with the Spirit.  You have read this, I'm sure ...

Galatians 5:16-26

I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.  For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.  But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.  Against such there is no law.  And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.  If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.  Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

No matter how hard we try, the flesh is still trying to get us to fulfill its desires until it ceases to function any more - dead.

[Arrabon]

6 minutes ago, Peterlag said:

"Would you please quote me a scripture that says anything like this.?"

One question at a time if you really want an answer. Otherwise others pick up multiple answers and begin talking about them not in the context that you first asked in and then accuse me of saying something that we were not talking about. Here's your one verse...

Romans 6:6
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Because I'm such an" old guy" in the faith, for many years I have studied the common Greek language of the day, koine Greek, which has become my right hand when studying scripture, especially single words, but also complete topics.

No, I'm not a scholarly snob, anything but, but I absolutely love the language God chose to write the original text in, and find the depth and scope of the Greek language overwhelmingly full and complete and powerful beyond all else I have studied.

The few words that to me are important in this verse you quoted are "we should not serve sin."

The Greek word douleuso represents being enslaved or in bondage to sin without release or any hope of release, as a non-Christian is, as opposed to Christians who sin periodically, but are working on getting past their sins with God's help.

Christians are usually not in bondage to sin, but if they are, say to pornography, they are usually pleading with God to be freed, and they can be released through the blood of Christ as they struggle and endure until they are released.

Serving sin is being fully immersed in sin, and living the full life of sin, and that's what that verse is speaking to.

The bible never represents Christians as sinless, and in fact warns us over and over of the possibility of being overwhelmed by sin and loosing our souls.

[David1701]

2 hours ago, clancy said:

We still sin every single day....our minds are being renewed, what’s in the minds of those born again...certainly not perfection?

 

we have sinful thoughts....I have sinful thoughts...yet I am born again!

our minds are being renewed daily, by the power of the Holy Spirit.

 

ok, we have the nature of Christ, but our minds are being renewed daily...

which is also scriptural.

 

i am being led by the Holy Spirit, but the flesh is weak, so is the mind, He renews our minds.

 

Do you ever have ungodly thoughts?......wouldn’t they be classed as sin?.....

Or are your thoughts perfect?

 

Romans 12:2

Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.

Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is, his good, pleasing and perfect will.

We have ungodly thoughts sometimes, because our brains have many corrupt pathways (often, many of these were formed before we were saved) and because our bodies have sinful cravings (what these are specifically will vary from person to person).

The spirit is life, because we have been born again; but, the body is death, because it is corrupt and has not been resurrected yet.  Our thoughts are the battleground.

[Peterlag]

1 hour ago, clancy said:

Are you actually saying, that you have never had an ungodly thought,since becoming born again?

We are all Gods children....none more special than the other.

No I'm not saying that. I'm saying walk in the spirit and you will not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

Galatians 5:16,18
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.