Futurism

[Waggles]

the abominations of desolation continue through history until today - this will end when Jesus returns in glory 

to set up his government in Jerusalem and build the Third Temple (Ezekiel)

[Justin Adams]

We already have a third temple. It is us collectively and individually. A temple not built with stone and a circumcision not made with hands.

[Your closest friendnt]

40 minutes ago, Josheb said:

I understand that. I also understand the question asked was not answered - again! I asked a question and it has not been answered. I asked you that question. I asked you that question based specifically on what you specifically and explicitly posted. I asked a question and it was not answered. I have asked the question twice and it still has not been answered. 

 

Why was Jesus coming back? 

Luke 18:8

New International Version
However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?"

** Faithful Version
 Nevertheless, when the Son of man comes, shall He find the true faith on the earth?"

**your question as it is, it does not so relevance to the context of Luke 18:8.

it departs from the context of Luke 18:8.

you are asking "why was Jesus coming back".

this question is to the reasons as to why was Jesus Christ raised from the dead. Or to the reasons as to why was Jesus Christ was coming back. 

when Jesus Christ died he knew that he was coming back.  Don't you think so. And he knew that their unbelief that he was still the Christ to them it came not only with their confession but also with their actions, they were about to prepare his body for burial. 

it's good it was the Sabbath if not they would have buried him before the three days, and the scriptures that foretold that out of the rock will come the water of Life it could not have fulfilled. 

18:8 it says that when the Son of Man comes back to the earth will he finds faith on the Earth. 

Not any kind of faith, but faith in him that he is the Christ.  

You agree that at the time of his death Jesus left the earth and when he came back he found the people who had believed in him as the Christ before his death on the Cross not believing in him as the Christ. 

he found them getting ready to prepared his body for burial. 

No one on earth believed that Jesus was the Christ of God when he died on the Cross. 

at that time they stopped believing. 

hope you do not disagree with that.

Jesus Christ foretold that this will happen before it happens in Luke 18:8.

This is what Luke 18:8 is all about. 

For three days the Light of the world stopped shining on Earth and it cannot be found on anyone on earth.

and Luke also says that he will returned back to earth and he will not find anyone waiting for him.  

your question is not within the context of Luke 18:8.

I did not say it it may not be appropriate within another context. I did not say anything against it. 

About the issues raised in Luke 18:8, 

do you have something to contribute, in what you agree or disagree, so far it seems that you are not getting close to the issues discussion. 

Do you want to be part of that , if not why you insist to introduce something that is not found in Luke 18:8.

Jesus in Luke 18:8 came back from the dead and not alone as to prove to where he was. 

Jesus came back because God raised him from the dead. 

 

[Your closest friendnt]

2 hours ago, Josheb said:

I understand that. I also understand the question asked was not answered - again! I asked a question and it has not been answered. I asked you that question. I asked you that question based specifically on what you specifically and explicitly posted. I asked a question and it was not answered. I have asked the question twice and it still has not been answered. 

 

Why was Jesus coming back? 

Wish that Alive was available today. 

[Your closest friendnt]

2 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

We already have a third temple. It is us collectively and individually. A temple not built with stone and a circumcision not made with hands.

Thank you, we are the Temple and Jesus seeks to come and make his Throne in our hearts.

He seeks those who want to worship him in Spirit and in Truth. 

So they can worship him even when they are held in a dungeon because of their beliefs in him.

[Your closest friendnt]

2 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

We already have a third temple. It is us collectively and individually. A temple not built with stone and a circumcision not made with hands.

We are the Holy city of Jesus Christ, we are his living stones, we are his Jerusalem, the apple of his eye we are living in the Holy mountain of Zion we are his people, we are his royal Priesthood, we are in the new Covenant.

[Starise]

14 hours ago, Jaydub said:

Do you see these scriptures as symbolic?

If Believers have Gods name written on their forehead and we see this as symbolic, why would we then think the mark of the beast on the forehead or hand is to be seen as literal? 

so you either belong to God and will spend eternity with him or you have the mark of the beast

Only believers in Jesus Christ will enter into Gods rest

everyone else has the mark of the beast, we belong to God or we don't

Hi Jaydub,

Actually this isn't a very solid argument because if you look at how this was carried out you would see that although God desired the Israelites to have the word of God front and center to their lives, there were indeed literal physical representations of it.

The Israelites would literally  place the scriptures into bands worn on their foreheads or on their hands/wrists. 

While I think the comparison is interesting, I don't see the need to force any sort of similarity to the MoB as stated in Revelation. To further make that point, there are dissimilarities as well. For one thing There were no restrictions with buying or selling tied to those words the Lord put into the hearts and minds of His people.

In the same way the MoB is two fold. It is both a physical representation or something recognizable to a device AND a way of saying those who take the mark have solidly chosen a side. The wrong side. The similarities are the mark will be a commitment to their god..little g. For the Jews, theirs was a commitment or rather a reminder to always keep those words at hand and in the heart.

There are a few similarities to the mark that have occurred in history, yet nothing that really matches this statement of scripture. It would make perfect sense that the RCC might have had a pope who demanded his subjects do a certain thing in order to buy or sell. The only problem with it is it doesn't line up...not really. This will be a worldwide event, not something to only affect a kingdom or even a few kingdoms.

Nothing the RCC has done thus far has dictated anything to the entire planet as something that had to be carried out or else. Until it becomes world wide, until it becomes "or else" and until it becomes specifically related to buying or selling with a mark on the forehead or hand it doesn't fit.

[Your closest friendnt]

Nevertheless,
πλὴν (plēn)
Conjunction
Strong's Greek 4133: However, nevertheless, but, except that, yet. From pleion; moreover, i.e. Albeit, save that, rather, yet.

[when] the
ὁ (ho)
Article - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's Greek 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.

Son
Υἱὸς (Huios)
Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's Greek 5207: A son, descendent. Apparently a primary word; a 'son', used very widely of immediate, remote or figuratively, kinship.

of Man
ἀνθρώπου (anthrōpou)
Noun - Genitive Masculine Singular
Strong's Greek 444: A man, one of the human race. From aner and ops; man-faced, i.e. A human being.

comes,
ἐλθὼν (elthōn)
Verb - Aorist Participle Active - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's Greek 2064: To come, go.

will He find
εὑρήσει (heurēsei)
Verb - Future Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's Greek 2147: A prolonged form of a primary heuro, which heureo is used for it in all the tenses except the present and imperfect to find.

faith
πίστιν (pistin)
Noun - Accusative Feminine Singular
Strong's Greek 4102: Faith, belief, trust, confidence; fidelity, faithfulness.

on
ἐπὶ (epi)
Preposition
Strong's Greek 1909: On, to, against, on the basis of, at.

earth?”
γῆς (gēs)
Noun - Genitive Feminine

[Waggles]

5 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

We already have a third temple. It is us collectively and individually. A temple not built with stone and a circumcision not made with hands.

Yes a spiritual temple that is dispersed across all nations. 

We are not required to all gather and stand upon the Temple Mount.

For Mount Zion does belong to YHVH, God, Jesus and it is his holy mountain, but since the crucifixion and the rejection of Jesus as Messiah the Temple Mount has been desecrated by other temples to other gods - it remains desolate until today.

When Jesus returns to rule the nations from Mount Zion, with a rod of iron, then as described in Ezekiel there will be another temple that all the nations shall come to. 

Isaiah 2:2  And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. 
3  And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

[Charlie744]

7 minutes ago, Waggles said:

Yes a spiritual temple that is dispersed across all nations. 

We are not required to all gather and stand upon the Temple Mount.

For Mount Zion does belong to YHVH, God, Jesus and it is his holy mountain, but since the crucifixion and the rejection of Jesus as Messiah the Temple Mount has been desecrated by other temples to other gods - it remains desolate until today.

When Jesus returns to rule the nations from Mount Zion, with a rod of iron, then as described in Ezekiel there will be another temple that all the nations shall come to. 

Isaiah 2:2  And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. 
3  And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Very nice! Is the final Temple the Messiah?

Personally, we will be with HIM and I really don’t see a physical building or such when we are with HIM.

 I realize there are more than a few verses speaking about mansions, and Temples and rooms, etc., but I think this is necessary since there are no words God could use where we would have the ability to fully understand or comprehend the life with HIM. 

Just my thoughts, Charlie