Futurism

[Marathoner]

The most wonderful thing that ever happened on this earth:

In the fullness of time our Father's Son was sent to this world, born of a woman under the Law to redeem us who were born under the Law, so that we might be partakers of the promise with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

His arrival as the Word made flesh was spoken of by the prophets... innumerable passages in the Old Testament look forward to His coming and the work which He carried out (look at Isaiah 53)... even Moses looked forward to Him as the scriptures testify. 

This is why He came as the Word made flesh! To be numbered among transgressors (us) for by His stripes, we are healed. This was the most wonderful thing but the greatest of miracles was our Lord's resurrection from the dead: the sign of Jonah and the promise of eternal life in Christ Jesus. 

Everything which unfolded in the fullness of time was according to the will and purpose of God. What God Himself did for us is not an abomination.

Edited March 25, 2021 by Marathoner

[Marathoner]

3 hours ago, SONshine said:

Oh Charlie,  do you not know; have you not heard?  Jesus Christ came at His first advent, riding upon a lowly ass to pay the price for our sins and to bring salvation to whosoever will turn to Him in repentance and believe in Him.  However, when He returns at the second advent following the reign of antichrist (the “king of Babylon” of the latter days, of whom Nebuchadezzar was a type) Jesus will be riding on a white horse, with the heavenly armies following Him also riding upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean (which is the righteousness of the saints).

Jesus will be coming to smite the nations and to establish the ruling kingdom of God upon this earth and to rule with a rod of iron and to tread the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.  In other words, Jesus  is coming as King of kings and Lord of lords!  ....and as it is written, every knee shall bow to His name.

Rev. 19:14-16 
And the armies which were in heaven followed Him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

[15] And out of His mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations: and He shall rule them with a rod of iron: and He treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

[16] And he hath on His vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Now back to Daniel 2; did Shadrach, Meschach, and Abednego ever bow a knee to the image of the king of Babylon (a type for Satan)?  Absolutely not—not even in the face of certain death.  Charlie, Jesus Christ Himself referred to the words of the prophet Daniel as the book for the reader to understand concerning the abomination of desolation, who is antichrist, the king of Babylon of the last days, Satan posing as Jesus who comes at the sound of the 6th Trump and stands in the holy place bringing in his storm of deception and flood of lies upon the earth.  

Matthew 24:15 
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Charlie, do you not understand that Nebuchadnezzar was specifically chosen by God to be His servant? giving us as a type of the king of Babylon of the last days?  God can and will use whomsoever He chooses to carry out His wondrous plan of salvation.  

I will believe my God.  He has written us a wonderful letter so that we may know Him and understand all things that we must know.  

Wonderful post, sister. All I can say is Amen!

[Charlie744]

2 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

I am saying even the RCC is basing off the Latin Vulgate, like the KJV proponents are ultimately basing this off the Latin Vulgate translations.   Which is why I use the Tanakh that is solely based off the Ancient Hebrew Scrolls.

 

But in just using the kjv/Latin Vulgate alone, I definitely see where they've made such conclusions.

I certainly wish had had your gifts of understanding Hebrew or Greek or Latin, etc.,

It is my understanding that each letter of the Hebrew language paints a definite picture and when coupled into a word there is so much information to be discerned.. only God could design such a language and where it would be most valuable in revealing His thoughts... can’t make this stuff up!!!’

But I will have to rely on those who God has given this gift to... this is a deeper understanding of His Word that must be like digging for gold while the rest of us are scratching the earth!

Charlie

[Charlie744]

3 minutes ago, SONshine said:

Those who crucified Jesus were not Jews; they only claimed to be, but they were liars like their father (little f)—Satan.  Jesus exposed their lies and pretty much let them have it.  It was Satan (the abomination of desolation) and his children that crucified Jesus.  

John 8:42-45

42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
...

Revelation 3:7-9

7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.

9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

As I said earlier, everything I have offered is no more than my interpretations and I am comfortable with them... it certainly does not mean they are fixed in stone but I do find “today’s accepted interpretations” of Daniel - especially 9 to 11 are sad to say ridiculous and shameful in that they have been accepted to speak not of the Messiah but of some created scary boogeyman.. 

But I respect your right to be comfortable in your own thoughts and interpretations.. they would not be considered any less important than mine or anyone else’s. 

Charlie 

 

[DeighAnn]

 

 

1 hour ago, Waggles said:

Did you not read my previous posts on this?

I thought I did, I thought it was about the New Covenant put in relation to this one.  Apologies to you.  

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week 

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, Charlie744 said:

Well, I will have to trust you on this Revelation thing... haven't gotten there yet... but I don't see anything I may have mentioned that disagrees with you here... except I am going to have to ask you to stop referring to me as an "ass"... was that directly at me?

This just popped into my head, if its been said before, sorry

Daniel 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

WHAT IF you can never understand Daniel until you read Revelation?  Will you be stuck here forever and ever?  If not, How long do you think it will be before we move on to Chapter 10?  

Daniel 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

I never noticed this before.  

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.



Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Did anything happen 1335 days after Christ crucified? 

Daniel 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be for thou shalt rest and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

[Jaydub]

On 3/22/2021 at 4:53 PM, Charlie744 said:

I believe the parable of the 10 virgins as well as the "no one could buy and sell" are strictly for the end times. Specifically, I do not think this speaks in any such way of the buying and selling of goods and services. I believe the "oil" in the 10 virgins fits quite nicely with the"no buying and selling" mention.... The "oil" reflects the Holy Spirit and our possessing His Word, the Scriptures, The Cross, His being our Messiah...... that is the "oil" we must have with and in us at His second coming. It we are found not to be in possession, we will have NO TIME to acquire it... it is too late.

I was very excited when I first read this, because I believe the mark of the beast is symbolic and I have trouble with the buying and selling. At first I thought you were on to something, but then I thought, you have it backwards. The scripture says you cant buy or sell with out the mark of the beast. Its not about having the oil (Holy Spirit)

[Charlie744]

2 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

This just popped into my head, if its been said before, sorry

Daniel 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

WHAT IF you can never understand Daniel until you read Revelation?  Will you be stuck here forever and ever?  If not, How long do you think it will be before we move on to Chapter 10?  

Daniel 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

I never noticed this before.  

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.



Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Did anything happen 1335 days after Christ crucified? 

Daniel 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be for thou shalt rest and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

Great thoughts!

First, let me be very clear in MY understandings:

I believe God has in no uncertain terms told us there are a few things that MUST take place before His return:

1) there will be a falling away, 

2) there will also be many who will come to the knowledge of the Lord, 

3) the Jews will recognize Jesus as their Messiah, 

BUT, I am 100% certain there are two things that may precede these two and MUST take place:

      a) We must have a correct understanding and interpretation of Daniel,

          1) ONLY when we have this correct understanding of Daniel will we then be able to  apply it to understanding Revelation. 

God would certainly not come until and unless both of HIS most prophetic books in the Scriptures are understood and give us His true messages given to us!

Regarding your comment on timing - His timing is always perfect! I believe He has indeed told us that “information and knowledge will increase in the end times”. To me, this speaks directly to our revealing the true messages within these two best books.

I believe I have offered my thoughts on 9:27 more than once .. but I will request you might look at them again and then come back.

I am still completing 11 but I will bet 12 speaks about the end times in a “spiritual” manner and to be connecting to the messages in Revelation.. so, I have to defer for right now.. 

Charlie

[Guest kingdombrat]

46 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

I certainly wish had had your gifts of understanding Hebrew or Greek or Latin, etc.,

It is my understanding that each letter of the Hebrew language paints a definite picture and when coupled into a word there is so much information to be discerned.. only God could design such a language and where it would be most valuable in revealing His thoughts... can’t make this stuff up!!!’

But I will have to rely on those who God has given this gift to... this is a deeper understanding of His Word that must be like digging for gold while the rest of us are scratching the earth!

Charlie

Let me explain the [Brilliance of both 1) the obvious here is God, and 2) is Moses].   We all know Moses was highly educated and second in line to become Pharaoh.   But what Moses did was actually [Brilliant].   He knew the Hebrew People/Slaves just evacuated from Egypt and now living in the Desert, all knew what the symbolism of the Egyptian Hieroglyphs meant.   So taking this knowledge he created the Hebrew Alphabet using these Hieroglyphs.  In fact, it's been labelled as the first/original Alphabet of any Language.

 

 

Oldest alphabet identified as Hebrew - Pinterest

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Nov 22, 2016 - Contested study indicates ancient Israelites developed first alphabet from Egyptian hieroglyphics.

 

 

Expert claims inscriptions from Egyptian exodus proves ...

https://www.jpost.com › Israel News

 

 

 

Dec 7, 2016 — Critics argue first alphabet an amalgam of Semitic languages. ... Expert claims inscriptions from Egyptian exodus proves Hebrew is world's oldest alphabet ... the name Ahisamach, from Exodus 31:6, used by Petrovich in his research. ... invented the alphabet using roughly two dozen Egyptian hieroglyphs.

 

 

New Discoveries Indicate Hebrew was World's Oldest Alphabet

https://www.ancient-hebrew.org › alphabet › new-disco...

 

 

 

Jan 6, 2017 — If the alphabet was not invented until around 1050 BC, then Moses could ... Hieroglyphics, which was used as a basis for creating 22 alphabetic ...

 

 

Israelites in Egypt may have turned hieroglyphs into letters ...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk › article-4009258 › Is-Heb...

 

 

 

Dec 7, 2016 — The language of the world's first alphabet could have been Hebrew. ... In his controversial theory, Dr Douglas Petrovich claims Israelites in Egypt took 22 ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs and turned them into the original Hebrew alphabet - over 3,800 years ago.

 

 

Was Hebrew the First Alphabet in the World and Used by ...

https://patternsofevidence.com › 2019/03/09 › hebrew-...

 

 

 

Mar 9, 2019 — Is Hebrew first alphabet known? ... If it turns out that the world's oldest alphabet was Hebrew, and that Moses did, in fact, use it to write the ... Kingdom, who was familiar with Egyptian hieroglyphs – a writing system that was so ...

 

 

So, it's easy to now understand the Hebrew Alphabet clearer by knowing the Egyptian Hieroglyphs.   And this understanding helps to understand what the Hebrew Language is saying when reading the Ancient Hebrew!

[Charlie744]

3 minutes ago, Jaydub said:

I was very excited when I first read this, because I believe the mark of the beast is symbolic and I have trouble with the buying and selling. At first I thought you were on to something, but then I thought, you have it backwards. The scripture says you cant buy or sell with out the mark of the beast. Its not about having the oil (Holy Spirit)

Well, you just might be correct... I have not studied Revelation and these important and very related verses .. But everything I see and interpret within the last two chapters of Daniel is the moving away from the physical message to the man re spiritual message.

I will go back to those verses and see if they just might fit in with the “little horn”.

Regardless and even without ANY further research or study at this time I can assure you God is not speaking about our grocery bills... it is 100% spiritual and must apply to what we MUST acquire for our salvation... 

Now, if He specifically said we must buy or sell pizza or cheesesteaks, I would have to revise my thoughts... 

Charlie