Futurism

[Charlie744]

3 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Abraham Lincoln has come back and he can been seen on currency. 

 

 

Yes, but we put the poor guy on a “Penney”... What do you  think he would say when he tried to buy a simple cup of coffee at Starbucks for $4.00?

Hey Abe, your going to need 400 of your pennies for a cup of coffee!

Which is when you will hear him say, “just shoot me”.

Charlie

[Your closest friendnt]

4 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Yes, but we put the poor guy on a “Penney”... What do you  think he would say when he tried to buy a simple cup of coffee at Starbucks for $4.00?

Hey Abe, your going to need 400 of your pennies for a cup of coffee!

Which is when you will hear him say, “just shoot me”.

Charlie

This is hilarious, I can not stop laughing. 

I did not know he is the copper man. 

Edited March 30, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

[Heleadethme]

18 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

@Heleadethme First I need to know with due respect that I am  not going to put you in a difficult situation because of the warning above.

Do you think that it is fair to shut down the thread instant of shutting down the individual who maybe the cause for the moderator to give the warning.

And why sometimes give a warning which it is ok to let someone know, and why other times no warning is given this is something that we cannot help but think about.

And this is what I wanted to say:

David who was a representative of the Pre-paracletus era had to depend on his own memory and his own refreshing of his memory less in he forget or does not remember in time the guidance in the commandments.

To his disciples Jesus said that he is going to relief them from that burden to preoccupy a lot of their time focusing on the commandments before making forwards steps in their in their lives.

Always reexamining what and if the road ahead is clear from hidden obstacles. 

And there is a reason that I may have said that and this comes from my observation living close to orthodox J communities, they are always walking if they were focusing on something in their minds.

Just like as the Rabbi in the parable of the good Samaritan. 

They do not interject with anyone not even to say "good morning ", not even if you asked them for directions, they totally ignore kind of not wanting to see around them or they observed with the corner of the eye and moved on.

This is the attitude Jesus deal with when he said from now on you are not alone you are not depending on your own ability to remember because the Paracletous is there to help you and bring things in your memory. 

The J as they were isolating from the rest of the world they could not be sent to bring the? Gospel to the world. 

Hope they do not punish the innocent or the OP and all those who have contributed and are willing to continue to contribute. 

But rather would be more wisher to do what the world does , it deals with the one whom they think is in the need for correction and they also give room for rehabilitation and they honor that by erasing and clear their record. 

 

Amen.  It's sad the religious bondage that happens.  Flesh and carnal mind gets hold of the things of God and spins it in ways that God did not intend...happens all the time in protestant circles too.  I would describe biblical meditation as being when our mind and thoughts are above and on the Lord and He brings scripture(s) to remembrance and we ruminate over it in His presence, ie, prayerfully.....in His light/illumination in other words.  As I've gotten older, that seems to be when I receive the most insights/revelation from God, when I'm just thinking upon the Lord and the things of Him.  Everything we receive being subject to testing though, as always.

[Your closest friendnt]

On 3/26/2021 at 2:09 PM, Josheb said:

Big, gigantic Uber-Fail. My question is most definitely within the context of Luke 18:8. 

 

Folks, I always prefer having a nice, warm, mutually edifying exchange of views based first on foremost on what the scriptures state. Not a single one of my fellow posters has ever been refused the opportunity to explain their position. That includes you, Your closest friendnt. I'm saying this now because my next words are very blunt. They are blunt because of the repeated refusal  to act in a collaborative and mutually edifying manner. They are blunt because the original statement is a very ungodly view that denigrates the body of Christ. They are blunt because reality was just denied, indicating the need for a reality check! My question is within the context of Luke 18. 

 

Jesus answers my question in that very same passage and he does so in fairly plain and explicit terms. My question is not a difficult question to answer if and when the scripture in which Luke 18:8 is read. 

Which is one of the reasons I have asked the question I asked. I din't pull that question out of my butt. I got the question from the text of Luke 18:1-8. 

You, Your closest friendnt, have been asked thrice to answer a question the very text you cite answers. 
You have refused to answer a very plain and simple and relevant question...... three times!!! 
You are now on record stating the question is not within the context of Luke 18:8 even though the Luke 18 text itself answers the question! 
You are now on record making a claim you won't prove.
You're now on record making a derogatory claim about the body of Christ you will not (or cannot) prove. 
You're now on record refusing to consult the very passage you yourself cited to answer a question Jesus himself answered. 
You're now on record refusing to discuss your own Church-contemptuous claims. 

In other words, not only does the record show a refusal to answer a very valid and relevant inquiry, but the record now shows a repeated willful ignoring of Jesus' own words.... and a non-Christlike manner being repeated! If Jesus answered the question then so too should you!!!!! Every single one of us should be willing and able to answer the question in exactly the same way Jesus did. 

And you did not do so. 

That refusal has occurred despite the patient, kind, hopeful opportunities provided..... three times. 

 

 

 

So here's the answer to my question as Jesus himself answered it in tLuke 18:1-8: 

Luke 18:1-8
"Now He was telling them a parable to show that at all times they ought to pray and not to lose heart,  saying, 'In a certain city there was a judge who did not fear God and did not respect man.  There was a widow in that city, and she kept coming to him, saying, 'Give me legal protection from my opponent.'  For a while he was unwilling; but afterward he said to himself, 'Even though I do not fear God nor respect man,  yet because this widow bothers me, I will give her legal protection, otherwise by continually coming she will wear me out.'  And the Lord said, Hear what the unrighteous judge said;  now, will not God bring about justice for His elect who cry to Him day and night, and will He delay long over them?  I tell you that He will bring about justice for them quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?"

The answer to the question asked is this: Jesus will be coming to bring justice for the elect. 

Who are the elect? That is the question I would have asked had I received an answer to the original question but now the unwillingness or inability to have a functional discussion of the claim made has been repeatedly objectively, verifiably been demonstrated - a functional scripture-based conversation about your own claims!!! 

That is messed up. 

Scripture defines who are the elect and what they do. There is no such thing as a faithless elect. Neither can any charge be brought against the elect, especially not by Jesus! 

Romans 8:31-39
"What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us?  He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things?  Who will bring a charge against God's elect? God is the one who justifies;  who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.  Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?  ...........I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers,  nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." 

Will Jesus find faith among the elect? Will Jesus find faith among those defined by their faith? Will Jesus find faith among the elect when he comes back to serve justice for the elect against whom no charge can be brought? Will Jesus find faith among the elect who call out to God for justice..... prompting Jesus to come and mete out the deserved justice on behalf of the neglect?  

 

Yes!!! 

Hebrews 11:6
"...without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists...."
 

 

Scripture is your friend and I am not your enemy.

The interpretation of Luke 18:8 was screw up. Real bad. 
The thrice provided opportunity to discuss it was screwed up.
 

The interpretation of Luke 18:8 that was posted, the view that the Church would in fact be without faith when Jesus comes is a Church-hating proof-texted view that bears no consistency with the whole of scripture. 

 

 Jesus Christ said the parable in Luke 18: before his death on the Cross. 

Jesus Christ had not died yet.

He did not go to the Cross yet. 

At that time before the Cross who were God's elect? 

Jesus said about a short time before the Cross in

Luke 18:

Will not God  bring about justice for his elect...who cried day and night unto him. 

Repeat: Jesus said: Will not God bring justice for his elect who cry day and night unto him. 

***Luke 7

 7. And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off? 

8 I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly.

However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?”

Who are God's elect before the Cross? 

How God will bring about justice unto them? 

What was their problem? That needed to be address by God? 

Jesus has not die yet. 

Edited March 31, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

[Your closest friendnt]

The elect of God before the Cross are those in Covenant with God.

Those subject to the Sinai Covenan. 

The people of God before the Cross. 

Those who were alive at the time just before the Cross and those who had died before his death on the Cross. 

They were both included in the People of God before the Cross. 

Abraham, Issac, Jacob and all his house. 

Alive or dead they were the only people of God before the Cross minus those who were cut off from God according to the Sinai Covenant.  

We are before the Cross.

I cannot teach you, only Jesus Christ can this is his promise.  

This is what Jesus said: 

 And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off? 8 I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?”

[Your closest friendnt]

Perhaps you are not informed correctly that Jesus descended to the heart of the earth, that includes that Jesus Christ was not on the earth for three days and after the three days he returned to the earth and he was not surprised that no one was waiting for him at the time when he was raised from the dead or when he returned to the earth.  

[Charlie744]

16 minutes ago, SONshine said:

Greetings, friendnt . . . The Resurrection is not to be confused with the second coming (second advent).  There are only two comings of our Lord Jesus.  Does this clear up the misunderstanding?

I don’t know if I am going to take this topic to a place not intended but I will just make a comment: 

1) I am not sure it matters how many times Jesus did or will come to the earth... some say two, others once more, and so on..... But God has certainly come to earth in whatever form He desired all through the past 6,000 years. 

2) I do believe He will come soon and receive those “in Christ”, whether dead or still alive, in the air. He will come to take us with Him... no touching the earth. I believe this will be for a thousand years (although that is earth time since there is no time where He is.  This will be our “day of rest or our Sabbath” with Him ... the 7th day in the 7 days He created. 

3) After this Sabbath He will once again return to earth WITH His followers to judge those who did not believe in Him ... they will be judged by the Law (10 commandments), and will not be able to call on Him to pay for their sins.... it is too late for them, Satan and his followers... It is finished and He will create a New Everything!

Just my thoughts, Charlie 

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, SONshine said:

Greetings, friendnt . . . The Resurrection is not to be confused with the second coming (second advent).  There are only two comings of our Lord Jesus.  Does this clear up the misunderstanding?

Greetings, I would like to bring to your attention that my posting is only about Luke 18: 7,8 more specific about the part of verse eight beginning with, 

"Therefore or However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth. "

Without prejudice I have to help you (if I can use this word) to enter into what I am discussing and why do I need to help you see my point because you are not discussing the points I have raised. 

Please for Jesus to say " Therefore when the Son of Man comes or returns (to Earth) will he finds faith on the earth. 

There is only one answer to his statement and it is an answer to the negative. 

His statement includes that one time he was on earth and then he is coming back includes that he was not on earth for a time. 

And he does not find anyone believing in him, or anyone waiting for him.

Can you point when that happened. Yes you can.

When Jesus Christ came back from the dead he did not find anyone believing in him and waiting for him no one welcome him. 

That's when Luke 18: 8 was fulfilled .

This is it, I am not talking about anything else. 

Please do not suggest that I am talking about something else because I am not.

You just had to ask me a simple question. 

Are you talking what we are talking about of some future event, very much misunderstood by many. No I am not.

My position is discussing that Luke 18:7-8 has nothing to do with that future event.

And the people of God in verse 7 is a reference to the people of God who was in a Covenant with the Israelites. 

The Sinai Covenant. 

Not the people of grace the born from above but the people of God before the death of Jesus on the Cross. 

Edited March 31, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, SONshine said:

Greetings, friendnt . . . The Resurrection is not to be confused with the second coming (second advent).  There are only two comings of our Lord Jesus.  Does this clear up the misunderstanding?

Greetings, reading the scriptures we find only one time that the light of the world did not shine on earth, and that is when Jesus Christ went to the place of the dead.

And that does not mean that it went out for that period of time, no it's not that. 

The light of the world did not shine on earth because was shining on another place on the place of the dead and there are a  lot of witnesses in Heaven who were raised from the dead at the same time as Jesus Christ and they can testify to that. 

And then when Jesus Christ was raised from the dead the light of the world it shine again on the earth and it is shinning thereafter forever more. 

It will never be taken away from the earth, because Jesus Christ will never descend to the heart of the earth again, never.

 

[Your closest friendnt]

18 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Fail. That is temporal thinking; fleshly thinking. It is NOT divne thinking from a divine perspective outside of time, space and history. Jesus, the one doing the returning, was foreknown before the creation of the world. The "elect" to which Jesus is referring are those living after Calvary. The elect, as I have already noted and proven, are those against whom no charge can be brought. 

Matthew 24:22-31
"Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.  Then if anyone says to you, 'Behold, here is the Christ,' or 'There he is,' do not believe him.  For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.  Behold, I have told you in advance.  So if they say to you, 'Behold, he is in the wilderness,' do not go out, or, 'Behold, he is in the inner rooms,' do not believe them.  For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.  Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.  But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.  And he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other." 

They are NOT pre-Calvary elect. 

Mark 13:19-23
"For those days will be a time of tribulation such as has not occurred since the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will.  Unless the Lord had shortened those days, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect, whom He chose, He shortened the days.  And then if anyone says to you, 'Behold, here is the Christ'; or, 'Behold, he is there'; do not believe him;  for false Christs and false prophets will arise, and will show signs and wonders, in order to lead astray, if possible, the elect.  But take heed; behold, I have told you everything in advance." 

The "elect" are the elect Jesus chose and the events he's describing are post-Calvary. 

Luke 18:6-8
"And the Lord said, 'Hear what the unrighteous judge said;  now, will not God bring about justice for His elect who cry to Him day and night, and will He delay long over them?  I tell you that He will bring about justice for them quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?"

The justice being brought is FOR them, the elect. Not against them. Who are they? The elect are those who cry out day and night! 

 

 

You are encouraged to read the larger passage so as to understand the various contexts being brought to bear upon the disciples to whom he was speaking, about whom he was speaking. You were also encouraged to visit the parallel passages and consider those narratives as will. From the beginning you have been encouraged and exhorted not to proof-text but to instead look at what the text of Luke 18 actually states and how scripture defines the terms. Each and every step of the way these encouragements, exhortations, and admonitions have been ignored - just as the text of scripture has been ignored. You're not going to like what comes next but you need to heed it. Because the evidence is now in in a half-dozen posts. You that guy: 

Titus 3:9-11
"But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.  As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him,  knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned."

The only remaining question is whether or not this was deliberate or unwitting. 

I also exhorted you to be as critical of your sources as you were of my posts. There's no excuse for not considering the evidence posted because that evidence comes directly from the scriptures without a single pixel added or subtracted. 

 

Jesus will find faith when he returns. He will find faith because the purpose of his returning is to mete out justice for the elect, those who cry to him day and night. 

Hebrews 11:6
"And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him." 

 

There is no excuse for not heeding the evidence and twisting Christ's words to say things they do not state and cannot rationally be made to say.  
 

 

 

You are not sure. 

Abraham Issac Jacob and all his house were waiting in faith for him to die so he can come to them. 

That's when Jesus left the earth and he found faith in the place of the dead...

And when Jesus came back to earth from the place of the dead he did not find anyone waiting for him to come back to earth not one. 

Instant he found them wanting to prepare his body for burial.

The proof they did not believe he is coming back as he had repeatedly told them to them and to the Jews.

He told them that he was going to the heart of the earth and he is coming back in three days, but they did not believe him.

No one believe him, no one was waiting for him. 

Abraham with his descendants were waiting for him, Jesus Christ found faith when he went in the place of the dead but he did not find no one believing in him when he came back to the earth. 

Why denied the truth in the scriptures. 

Jesus Christ said they want to kill me to erase me but the opposite happened. 

He said unless you put the grain in the ground it cannot multiply hundred fold.