Futurism

[Alive]

As far as Jerusalem in the late 60's and 70 AD--it was the Jews that were responsible directly for the carnage that went on. They literally went nutz and I agree that it was demonic. The Romans were actually trying to bring order of a fashion to chaos.

The Jews of that 'generation' were children of their father--just as Jesus pronounced.

[Guest kingdombrat]

6 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

What is the point?

For a Nation like Israel, this would look like the Apocalypse, but as History itself explains to us, this was just a booming of the Gentile Reign now awaiting that Great Tribulation.

Edited April 9, 2021 by kingdombrat

[Justin Adams]

I also see typology in many places. I disagree with the chapter and verse method of taking old scriptures and using them to expound "fact" in a futurist manner; it negates the prior fulfillment which is readily apparent and probably stifles learning.

No one knows, but conclusions might be drawn from the typology type of prophetic message. If we study history, we have an inkling of some future that we may infer, and infer only, from some texts. To build a whole dogma and doctrine on any of that is going to be wrong. It is mere supposition.

I have in the back of my mind what to look for and expect. It is NOT pretty.

Edited April 9, 2021 by Justin Adams

[Your closest friendnt]

4 minutes ago, Alive said:

As far as Jerusalem in the late 60's and 70 AD--it was the Jews that were responsible directly for the carnage that went on. They literally went nutz and I agree that it was demonic. The Romans were actually trying to bring order of a fashion to chaos.

The Jews of that 'generation' were children of their father--just as Jesus pronounced.

Is the last paragraph is it meant as a judgment?  

Is it allowed by the tos? 

Is it as an example to follow?  Without the fear of violating the tos? 

Suggesting they are the children of 

 

[Alive]

4 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

I also see typology in many places. I disagree with the chapter and verse method of taking old scriptures and using them to expound "fact" in a futurist manner; it negates the prior fulfillment which is readily apparent and probably stifles learning.

No one knows, but conclusions might be drawn from the typology type of prophetic message. If we study history, we have an inkling of some future that we may infer, and infer only, from some texts. To build a whole dogma and doctrine on any of that is going to be wrong. It is mere supposition.

I have in the back of my mind what to look for and expect. It is NOT pretty.

Yes--I agree and in the meantime--we are to 'occupy' until He comes. I believe that is where our focus ought to be.

[Marathoner]

1 hour ago, David1701 said:

When I attended "free will" places, I thought that Futurism was true (because I was very young in the faith and that's what everyone said), so that kind of thing didn't grate; but it would now!

I believe that Darby was a sincere man, who sought God and had some insight (in other areas); but, his Dispensationalism has caused widespread damage.

When the Spirit of the Lord called me out of this world and set me upon a path toward Jesus Christ, my journey wasn't a linear trajectory from A to B. Once I departed point A, I visited with many congregations searching for point B. I did this on account of the instruction of His Spirit: I would know the man approved by Him when I encountered him.  

I would visit with a fellowship and wonder, "Is this where I'll find that man approved of God? Does the Lord dwell here?" Along the way I was introduced to what I now recognize as Darbyism and its many permutations of which futurism serves as a umbrella identifier, though Darbyism isn't the only brand of futurism extant to be sure. 

There were charts; there were timelines; there were sermons; and there were the inevitable Sunday school classes I was invited to attend which I did out of courtesy during my brief stay. Raptures? Tribulations small and Great? Strange-looking beasts? None of it made sense.

Ah, but then I received a most unusual invitation: a call for one and all to visit with a fellowship in the countryside. Come and see!, the invitation read, followed by a phone number. I dialed the number, which was the beginning of a number of hours-long conversations I had with my old friend and several others in the fellowship. They were waiting for me to come and there would be a place for me when I arrived. 

This was point B and my friend, the fellow who issued that crazy invitation, was the one whom the Lord approved of. A year had passed since I departed from point A so definitely not a linear journey. There were no church buildings, no charts, no timelines, and neither sermons nor teachings about tribulations small and Great accompanied by strange-looking beasts. Here's what I heard during the gathering of my arrival:

We are the temple made without hands, living stones fitting together in a manner pleasing to God who made us all. The Spirit says, Come! We say, come!, because we know you belong with us. 

A month later I was baptized in a water trough in the midst of 214 people.       

  

[Guest kingdombrat]

3 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

I also see typology in many places. I disagree with the chapter and verse method of taking old scriptures and using them to expound "fact" in a futurist manner; it negates the prior fulfillment which is readily apparent and probably stifles learning.

No one knows, but conclusions might be drawn from the typology type of prophetic message. If we study history, we have an inkling of some future that we may infer, and infer only, from some texts. To build a whole dogma and doctrine on any of that is going to be wrong. It is mere supposition.

I have in the back of my mind what to look for and expect. It is NOT pretty.

...At the end of this Tribulation, watch the skies for [signs] Like lightning streaking East to West, so is the Second Coming!   

^

We can fill many holes knowing this event has not taken place because the Tribulation Christ spoke about has not happen.

[Alive]

1 minute ago, Marathoner said:

When the Spirit of the Lord called me out of this world and set me upon a path toward Jesus Christ, my journey wasn't a linear trajectory from A to B. Once I departed point A, I visited with many congregations searching for point B. I did this on account of the instruction of His Spirit: I would know the man approved by Him when I encountered him.  

I would visit with a fellowship and wonder, "Is this where I'll find that man approved of God? Does the Lord dwell here?" Along the way I was introduced to what I now recognize as Darbyism and its many permutations of which futurism serves as a umbrella identifier, though Darbyism isn't the only brand of futurism extant to be sure. 

There were charts; there were timelines; there were sermons; and there were the inevitable Sunday school classes I was invited to attend which I did out of courtesy during my brief stay. Raptures? Tribulations small and Great? Strange-looking beasts? None of it made sense.

Ah, but then I received a most unusual invitation: a call for one and all to visit with a fellowship in the countryside. Come and see!, the invitation read, followed by a phone number. I dialed the number, which was the beginning of a number of hours-long conversations I had with my old friend and several others in the fellowship. They were waiting for me to come and there would be a place for me when I arrived. 

This was point B and my friend, the fellow who issued that crazy invitation, was the one whom the Lord approved of. A year had passed since I departed from point A so definitely not a linear journey. There were no church buildings, no charts, no timelines, and neither sermons nor teachings about tribulations small and Great accompanied by strange-looking beasts. Here's what I heard during the gathering of my arrival:

We are the temple made without hands, living stones fitting together in a manner pleasing to God who made us all. The Spirit says, Come! We say, come!, because we know you belong with us. 

A month later I was baptized in a water trough in the midst of 214 people.       

  

I recalled the other day way back in the mists of time behind me when studying for the ministry--I got a Dake's Annotated Bible. I read some "incredible" things in there on Revelation. I've forgotten all of it but some of his description and what nots on the new City.

wow! Way back machine.

[Guest kingdombrat]

2 minutes ago, Alive said:

I recalled the other day way back in the mists of time behind me when studying for the ministry--I got a Dake's Annotated Bible. I read some "incredible" things in there on Revelation. I've forgotten all of it but some of his description and what nots on the new City.

wow! Way back machine.

My parents gave me a Dake's when I was 18 for a Graduation gift.   A lot of his own views towards several issues from Genesis 6 to everything we seem to discuss here, some of it is interesting indeed.   Some I just wonder what Inspiration was he experiencing when he wrote it down.   His Concordance is very useful because he sticks to the older definitions, but his opinionated viewpoints are definitely debatable lol

[Your closest friendnt]

19 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

For a Nation like Israel, this would look like the Apocalypse, but as History itself explains to us, this was just a booming of the Gentile Reign now awaiting that Great Tribulation.

There is a lot of thought in the above post, but was not Israel and Judah occupied by the Romans?  

What happened in Jerusalem was it not a revolt against the Roman Empire?  

What does it mean "a booming of the Gentile rein? 

This does not sit very well with anything ?

Are you suggesting that they were two powers, the Jews as the people of God and the Gentiles as the people of ?

PS

The Romans were Gentiles but not all Gentiles were Romans.