The concept of the original sin

[Peterlag]

And this is from Andrew Farley but not in my book...

 

We undergo a miraculous exchange at the center of our being once we have the spirit of Christ. Who we were in Adam is no longer there. We become a new person because we are now a child of God who is in Christ.

The key event causing this exchange is a death, burial, and resurrection with Christ. This miraculous exchange is not figurative or symbolic, but literal and actual.

The spiritual part of every Christian has literally and actually been crucified, buried, and raised with Christ. The fact that this occurs spiritually and not physically doesn’t make it any less real.

So what happens to the old self that was in Adam? The old self is entirely obliterated once the spirit of Christ enters the Christian.

 

And this is from me but not in my book...

 

Let's assume God gave you a spirit that had its own nature and it became part of you to the end that it became you. Then it would no longer be you but this new nature that God has caused you to become. Could we then say your old sinful nature was gone?

[leah777]

4 minutes ago, Peterlag said:

but not in my book.

your book? what is it called?

 

[Riverwalker]

Pride is a sin, and the person who thinks they do not sin, maybe committing that one

 

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

[David1701]

7 minutes ago, Peterlag said:

Okay then you explain these...

Romans 6
How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

For he that is dead is freed from sin.

he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin,

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law,

Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

being made free from sin, and become servants to God,

1 John 3 & 5
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not.

The KJV translation of these verses is not very good.

1 John 3:2-10 (EMTV)

 2 Beloved, we are God’s children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.
  3 And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure. 

  4 Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.
  5 You know that he appeared in order to take away sins, and in him there is no sin.
  6 No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.
  7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.
  8 Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.
  9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.
  10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother. 

Someone who has been born of God does not make a practice of sinning, because he has a new nature; but, that does not mean that he never sins; in fact, anyone who has been born of God KNOWS that he still sins sometimes; if you deny it, then you are deluding yourself.

[OneLight]

5 hours ago, Peterlag said:

What's your question? Should I use writings from another guy who had a book that was out of print at the time I used it and was reprinted by another school with no copyrights owned for it? Sure. Why not? It is good stuff and it's not word for word because I cleaned it up a little.

When you make it sound like you are the author of someone else's work, that is called plagiarism, which is against the law.  Copy and pasting word for word is not clearing anything up, and not giving credit to the original writer is like stealing.  You have even claimed in another thread you created that the site belongs to you and that Stephen is your work.  Which is it?  Did you personally write Stephen and is the site yours or are you stealing the work of another, changing a word or two, and calling it yours?

Remember, you have to be honest because you say you do not sin ...

[OneLight]

5 hours ago, Peterlag said:

I have given you some good data to prove why I write what I do. If you don't want to believe the simple truth. Fine. Believe what you think is true. Just don't tell me I'm wrong because you disagree with me.

I am showing you your errors in understanding using scripture, not any other form of data.  It seems you have many times come against what many others have shown you because it does not fit the theology you believe in, that you are sinless when scripture shows otherwise, even to the point that we cannot apply certain scripture because it was not written directly to us.

[OneLight]

 

1 hour ago, Peterlag said:

3 hours ago, enoob57 said:

1 John 1

1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
KJV
 

Clearly the writer is including himself in this passage "we"  so the very first step in hermeneutic process 'gramatical' does not agree with your assessment! 

 

 

What verses are the "we" in?

Seriously?  Verses 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 ... every single one of them.  Didn't you read his reply?

[Waggles]

5 hours ago, Peterlag said:

Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

being made free from sin, and become servants to God

They are 'motherhood' statements of doctrinal ideals 

it is what disciples aim to be as we grow over time to "perfection" by overcoming trials and tribulations - learning of what is evil - proving all things -

praying constantly in the Holy Spirit - we become better and more practiced in denying sin and doing righteousness - bearing good fruit.

Edited April 5, 2021 by Waggles

[PeterR]

10 hours ago, Waggles said:

They are 'motherhood' statements of doctrinal ideals 

it is what disciples aim to be as we grow over time to "perfection" by overcoming trials and tribulations - learning of what is evil - proving all things -

praying constantly in the Holy Spirit - we become better and more practiced in denying sin and doing righteousness - bearing good fruit.

What is righteousness? Is it something to learn or does something need to be done to become righteous?
Does the faith coming by righteousness, or rather the righteousness is coming by faith?

[Waggles]

55 minutes ago, PeterR said:

What is righteousness? Is it something to learn or does something need to be done to become righteous?
Does the faith coming by righteousness, or rather the righteousness is coming by faith?

The epistles to the churches teach of this ... how to become children of the light and to walk in righteousness which is doing the commandments of God.

So yes it is a learning process by the Holy Spirit and growing in spiritual understanding of what is approved of by God. 

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared for the salvation of all men, 12 training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live sober, upright, and godly lives in this world, 13 awaiting our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all iniquity and to purify for himself a people of his own possession, who are zealous for good works.