Who gave the devil permission to assault Job?

[David1701]

1 hour ago, WilliamL said:

The Book of Jasher is Hebraic history. Christians quote all kinds of truths from all kinds of historical sources. Problem?

How do you know that the "book of Jasher", from which you quote, is reliable (or even the genuine "book of Jasher", since there is at least one known forgery of it)?

[Littlelambseativy]

To whom did the devil go to seek permission? He went to God the Father. You do not need the Book of Jasher just read Job. Jasher with the other books is an interesting way to verify some historical information but one should accept what is in the Bible. 

[WilliamL]

On 4/6/2021 at 6:25 PM, David1701 said:

How do you know that the "book of Jasher", from which you quote, is reliable (or even the genuine "book of Jasher", since there is at least one known forgery of it)?

The testimony of Jewish scholars as to the purity of its biblical Hebrew, for one.

The references to it in the Bible, for two.

Its close dove-tailing with the history found in the Torah, filling in many gaps (particularly in the chronology), for three.

Repeats of some of its history in the Talmud and other Jewish sources, for four.

Now, what evidence can you supply to cause you to think that it is not a useful source? Just your own suspicious nature? Someone else's suspicious nature?  or something actual tangible?

[WilliamL]

On 4/7/2021 at 7:00 AM, Littlelambseativy said:

You do not need the Book of Jasher just read Job.

And  you do not need Josephus to read the New Testament, but it sure helps if you want to have a greater depth of understanding of the first century A.D.

Some of us on this board are actual scholars. I know that makes many people suspicious. Maybe you should take a check of your attitude?

[David1701]

17 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

The testimony of Jewish scholars as to the purity of its biblical Hebrew, for one.

The references to it in the Bible, for two.

Its close dove-tailing with the history found in the Torah, filling in many gaps (particularly in the chronology), for three.

Repeats of some of its history in the Talmud and other Jewish sources, for four.

Now, what evidence can you supply to cause you to think that it is not a useful source? Just your own suspicious nature? Someone else's suspicious nature?  or something actual tangible?

The Talmud is extremely unreliable itself.

The references to the book of Jasher in the Bible are not necessarily referring to same book (as I've already pointed out); and, even if it is the same book, that does not mean that all, or even most, of it is reliable.

It's the "gaps" that are the parts in question.

If I recall correctly, you quoted it as attributing evil acts to Job, whom God describes as a very upright man, eschewing evil.

Edited April 8, 2021 by David1701

[WilliamL]

2 minutes ago, David1701 said:

The Talmud is extremely unreliable itself.

Parts of it are, parts of it aren't. But you seem to have s suspicious attitude about things that you have not personally studied out. Much of what historians know about priestly traditions for Temple worship come solely from the Talmud. History. No history is perfectly reliable, but that is no reason for scholars to ignore historical sources.

7 minutes ago, David1701 said:

If I recall correctly, you quoted it as attributing evil acts to Job, whom God describes as a very upright man, eschewing evil.

And whom God personally incited Satan to attack. You think God just felt like zapping Job? Because He certainly knew what Satan would want to do to him after God extolled him.

[David1701]

16 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Parts of it are, parts of it aren't. But you seem to have s suspicious attitude about things that you have not personally studied out. Much of what historians know about priestly traditions for Temple worship come solely from the Talmud. History. No history is perfectly reliable, but that is no reason for scholars to ignore historical sources.

And whom God personally incited Satan to attack. You think God just felt like zapping Job? Because He certainly knew what Satan would want to do to him after God extolled him.

I am suspicious of anything that is blasphemous towards the Lord Jesus Christ, as the Talmud is.

Here is what God says about Job, either you believe it or you don't, but those who believe in the LORD will also believe what he says.

Job 1:6-8 (WEB) 

 6  Now on the day when God’s sons came to present themselves before the LORD, Satan also came among them.
  7 The LORD said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”

Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, “From going back and forth in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.” 

  8  The LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant, Job? For there is no one like him in the earth, a blameless and an upright man, one who fears God, and turns away from evil.” 

[Riverwalker]

On 4/7/2021 at 6:00 AM, Littlelambseativy said:

To whom did the devil go to seek permission? He went to God the Father. You do not need the Book of Jasher just read Job. Jasher with the other books is an interesting way to verify some historical information but one should accept what is in the Bible. 

I don't think the devil asked permission. 

[Littlelambseativy]

Satan complained that the only reason Job was righteous was because God put a hedge of protection around Job. It was then God gave permission for Satan to test Job by removing the hedge from everything and everyone in his family, but Job.  So, in essence, Satan’s complaint was asking for permission..

[WilliamL]

On 4/9/2021 at 7:46 AM, David1701 said:

On 4/8/2021 at 2:59 PM, WilliamL said:

And whom God personally incited Satan to attack. You think God just felt like zapping Job? Because He certainly knew what Satan would want to do to him after God extolled him.

 

Here is what God says about Job, either you believe it or you don't, but those who believe in the LORD will also believe what he says.

Nothing of anything I said should lead anyone to think I don't believe what God said about Job. Because I do. You are simply ignoring the issue I brought up: why did God set up Job to be assaulted by Satan?

Job was a righteous man in God's eyes at the time that the book commenced. That does not mean that Job was always a righteous man, and had never done any evil thing, even if out of ignorance. Paul did great evils before his conversion, and thereafter led a righteous life. And also an extremely afflicted life, suffering more than any of the other apostles at the hands of accusers. Why? Are the two situations possibly parallel. Likely so.

There is such a narrow-mindedness among many professors of Christ these days, which is so reminiscent of the narrow-mindedness of the Jews at the time of Christ's first coming. That attitude of the Jews  blinded them from any source of understanding outside of their man-made doctrines. So it is today.