Who gave the devil permission to assault Job?

[leah777]

15 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Job was a righteous man in God's eyes at the time that the book commenced. That does not mean that Job was always a righteous man, and had never done any evil thing, even if out of ignorance.

Please expand on why this is relevant? Our story begins after Job was called righteous, so why would his alleged past matter?

[Riverwalker]

14 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Why? Are the two situations possibly parallel. Likely so.

Paul signed up for the job. He could have refused it. But he did not, he girded his loins, counted the cost and stepped up into hells fury

Job was minding his own business.  A righteous man, but a man of fear.

I see a lot of that in myself.  But His grace is sufficient for me.

I do find the notion that God let Job's family be killed to prove something to satan just to be a little, un-Godlike.  Which is why I think it was the fear that opened the hedge of protection, and not a grudge match between God and satan

[WilliamL]

2 minutes ago, leah777 said:

Please expand on why this is relevant? Our story begins after Job was called righteous, so why would his alleged past matter?

Because past actions in the flesh have consequences. For a good example, I suggest you read the story about the famine in the days of King David, caused by a years-prior sin of King Saul. 2 Samuel 21

[WilliamL]

5 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

I do find the notion that God let Job's family be killed to prove something to satan just to be a little, un-Godlike.  Which is why I think it was the fear that opened the hedge of protection, and not a grudge match between God and satan

Please read my post just prior to this one.

[leah777]

As being saved/declared righteous by God means the sin was blotted out, I fail to see why anyone thinks it was carried over to be paid for in later life. It goes against all we know about redemption and forgiveness.

Are you implying that Paul was so punished by others becasue of his previous sins before being born again?

[WilliamL]

2 minutes ago, leah777 said:

As being saved/declared righteous by God means the sin was blotted out, I fail to see why anyone thinks it was carried over to be paid for in later life. It goes against all we know about redemption and forgiveness.

Are you implying that Paul was so punished by others becasue of his previous sins before being born again?

Sins may be blotted out in God's eyes, but that does not necessarily mean that one can get away with the earthly consequences of those sins. We may be forgiven for past acts of fornication, for example, but still come down with a venereal disease.

Don't you know that even though God forgave David for his sin with Bathsheba, there were still ongoing evil consequences that followed afterwards? See 2 Sam. 12:13-14

[Littlelambseativy]

The information we read here for Job is very relevant for us today. As born again Christians, Satan must also ask God for permission to test us. We are bought with the blood of Jesus and are His, therefore permission is needed. With Job, he was righteous before God and though he feared for his children, God saw Job’s heart as right standing and Satan knew Job could not be touched because of the hedge God placed around him. God also knew the hearts of the children.

[Riverwalker]

43 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Because past actions in the flesh have consequences. For a good example, I suggest you read the story about the famine in the days of King David, caused by a years-prior sin of King Saul. 2 Samuel 21

But Job did not die nor suffer personally, Just everyone and everything around him did, there is no Justice in that

[WilliamL]

1 hour ago, Riverwalker said:

But Job did not die nor suffer personally, Just everyone and everything around him did, there is no Justice in that

I think that you are now just shooting from the hip.

"But Job did not ... suffer personally..." ?? Then why was he scraping the puss off of his skin, while wanting to die? And the death of his children, that did not cause him to suffer personally??

And, "there is no Justice in that..." So what God allowed, even egged on Satan to do, was unjust?

Sounds like you want to come up with anything to try to dis my posts.

[leah777]

2 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

So what God allowed, even egged on Satan to do, was unjust?

I disagree that God egged on Satan in any way. God set guidelines around what satan was allowed to do.