Teachers, can you do better, or worse?

[OneLight]

2 hours ago, Still Alive said:

Group together as discredited, at least as a person. That "other" topic is the stuff about his dealing with women.

I'll just post a google link: https://www.google.com/search?q=ravi+scandal

I've seen some of his teaching. Though I was not crazy about his style, I thought he often brought up solid stuff.

 

1 hour ago, teddyv said:

I agree that lumping those together seems a bit of a category error.

Ravi Zacharias was found to have engaged in inappropriate behaviour with many other women. Here is a report (PDF) that was prepared by a legal firm on the matter.

I was not aware of any of this.  Just goes to prove that he was just as human as everyone else.  Not blowing it off at all, just that this does come as a surprise to me as I really enjoyed his Q&A sessions and would never consider such actions coming from him.

[David1701]

2 hours ago, OneLight said:

Blanket statements are always a lie, so be careful not to use them. 

That is a blanket statement, so be careful not to use it...

[OneLight]

4 hours ago, Still Alive said:

I think that is a blanket statement.

 

1 hour ago, David1701 said:

That is a blanket statement, so be careful not to use it...

You are right.  In stead of saying "Blanket statements are always a lie, so be careful not to use them.", I should of worded it something like this: "Just about every time someone uses a blanket statement, it is a lie, so be careful not to use them,"  Is that better?

[Whyme]

6 hours ago, Josheb said:

Ephesians 4:11-16
"And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,  for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;  until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.  As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming;  but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ,  from whom the whole body, being fitted and held together by what every joint supplies, according to the proper working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love." 

So consider how your posts read, Whyme. What you may mean is much different than what is actually posted and what is actually posted contradicts, disputes, denies, (or perhaps just fails to adequately understand) what is plainly written. 

What is plainly written is this: Christ gave the Church apostles, evangelists, pastors, and teachers (and others; the list is not exhaustive) and he gave them to the Church for very specific reasons that include "unity of the faith," "knowledge of the Son of God," "the fullness of Christ," and maturity and the building up of the body. 

Presuppositionally, what you're saying isn't just that passages like the one I just quoted aren't true but those conditions, even if they are true, don't exist in your life. Look around you. Your brothers and sisters here are all reporting these conditions do still exist! It boils down to this reality: we have scripture on our side and we have the witness of the redeemed on our side. 

 

I do not believe you, Josh, or the scripture you post because you're just one of so many men teaching doctrines of men from denominationalism. 

 

I do hope that is not the response.

Did i already answer this post? I hope not. Thats scripture is true, but that doesnt mean todays so called apostles are real apostles, and doesnt mean teachers of today are sent by God. Did God send the Pope? Not in my opinion no. Did God send Kenneth Copeland? No not in my opinion. See where im going with this?

[Whyme]

6 hours ago, OneLight said:

do you really believe God would set someone in the office of teacher if He knew they would lead people astray?  Can God be fooled by man?????

Thats the thing, i dont believe God put them there, man put them there. 

Edited April 23, 2021 by Whyme

[OneLight]

7 minutes ago, Whyme said:

Thats the thing, i dont believe God put them there, man put them there. 

Why do you think this?  Is it because they are not perfect?

[Whyme]

6 hours ago, Alive said:

An interesting observation that may be of some help in addition to clear scriptures that have been posted.

Men are not yet perfected, so we make mistakes. Teachers aren't perfect, but that doesn't mean that God doesn't use that same individual for His purposes as Paul in Ephesians explained.

Can we agree that the Apostle Peter was a teacher?

Early on, Peter was wrong as were others--yet Peter taught, preached and was instrumental in bringing many souls to Christ. Peter functioned in several ways as outlined by Paul. Peter was wrong, Peter taught and God used him. We all need the Peters that are members of the Church. The Body of Christ is very much a real functioning Life and that Life is Christ that flows from Christ through members to other members. Once we get that down pat, we can be open to hear and learn and grow up into Him. I am convinced that we do both ourselves and brethren harm, if we don't participate.

Another point--our God and Lord is not offended when we are mistaken. He is used to it. We can be in error and Life still flows.

Matt. 18:20 (NAS20S) “For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst.”

God sent Peter a vision and straightened him out. Peter was teachable but mans theology isnt. Man cannot change his faulty doctrine because that would be admitting his church isnt guided by truth.

[Starise]

10 minutes ago, Whyme said:

Did i already answer this post? I hope not. Thats scripture is true, but that doesnt mean todays so called apostles are real apostles, and doesnt mean teachers of today are sent by God. Did God send the Pope? Not in my opinion no. Did God send Kenneth Copeland? No not in my opinion. See where im going with this?

Two groups of teachers. False teachers sent by Satan to mislead and disrupt i.e. the prosperity gospel. Secondly are the real God sent teachers and preachers.

So you look to be confusing the two here. You're trying to go down two rabbit holes at once.

[Whyme]

4 minutes ago, OneLight said:

Why do you think this?  Is it because they are not perfect?

Because God doesnt correct their mistakes like he did Peter. They are not listening.

Edited April 23, 2021 by Whyme

[OneLight]

1 minute ago, Whyme said:

Because God doesnt correct their mistakes like he did Peter. They are not listening.

And you know this how?  Let's take a couple of teachers from this site, Alive and George.  Are you telling me that you know each of them personally and can prove how they are not listening to God, that they are not teachers according to scripture?