Has The Church Dropped the Ball ?

[Franky67]

A wicked and perverse generation ask for signs.

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Jesus spoke these words to the religeous leaders who were trying to trick Him, not to His followers.

[Franky67]

John 6: 26 Jesus answered them and said, Truly, truly, I say to you, You seek me, not because you saw the miracles, but because you did eat of the loaves, and were filled.

John 12

37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:

John 6 :36 But I said to you, That you also have seen me, and believe not.

Some times we miss the signs and wonders because they don't come the way we expect them to?

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I look for the things Jesus said would take place,

[Pilgrim7]

Franky,

Here are some signs that show whether the Spirit of holiness is present in the churches.

2COR 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. (there is something for us to do)

HEB 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance

from dead works, and of faith toward God, (continuing in sin) ................

6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy

Ghost,

6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the

world to come,

6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing

they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. (Oops, they lost it, don't tell the OSAS people)

HEB 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a

cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, (something for us to do again)

12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against

himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. (this must only apply to the Jews, it couldn't apply to us)

12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as

unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son

whom he receiveth.

12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for

what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then

are ye bastards, and not sons.

If these Scriptures make you uncomfortable, rejoice for that is the Holy Spirit working on your conscience. Let Him do His work of chastening . If wou wish to reject Him, then just listen to the responses that are sure to follow this post. They will calm your fears and quiet the voice of the Spirit. Then you will know for sure what the problem is.

Chastened by the Lord,

Dennis

[NITE OWL]

You want signs? Take a look at the world around you. There everywhere.

The christian faith is the only faith that gets attacked on a daily basis. It's not wanted in our schools but it's ok for muslems to practice their faith there. It's unwelcome in the work place but it's ok for muslems to interupt their work day and go pray however many times they want.

No one attacks the buddists, the hindus, and of course the muslems.

People of the muslem faith are killing people everyday and all I keep hearing is that their message is one peace. They slaughtered over 3,000 people in the twin towers and yet we keep hearing about how peace loving they are.

People don't want "In God We Trust" on our money because it offends them. They don't want it in our pledge of allegiance because they're offended. The ten commandments offend people. I could go on and on.

The signs are out there. You just have to open your eyes.

[apothanein kerdos]

If you want a sign of faith then look to a child learning to read the Bible. If you want a sign look to the former drug addict that is now leading worship. If you want a sign look to the broken man being made complete.

In our quest for the extrodinary we have completely forgotten about the extrodinarily "mundane". In our quest for signs, we have over looked the most obvious and moving ones.

[other one]

good post SJ....

[Franky67]

If you want a sign of faith then look to a child learning to read the Bible. If you want a sign look to the former drug addict that is now leading worship. If you want a sign look to the broken man being made complete.

In our quest for the extrodinary we have completely forgotten about the extrodinarily "mundane". In our quest for signs, we have over looked the most obvious and moving ones.

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These are signs, and good ones, they prove the power, and Grace of the Holy Spirit, in fact, I'm living proof of God's grace.

What I mean is the specific signs that would accompany the preaching of the Gospel. Like Jesus carefully taught;

Matthew

10:7,8 "And as you go, preach, saying, ' the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, raise the dead, clense the lepers, freely you have received, freely give'."

Mark

16:20 " And they went out and preached everywhere while the Lord worked with them, and confirmed the word by the signs that followed."

These are signs I'm talking about, where are we taught that these are no longer needed? I think they are needed now just as much as then.

[Franky67]

You want signs? Take a look at the world around you. There everywhere.

The christian faith is the only faith that gets attacked on a daily basis. It's not wanted in our schools but it's ok for muslems to practice their faith there. It's unwelcome in the work place but it's ok for muslems to interupt their work day and go pray however many times they want.

No one attacks the buddists, the hindus, and of course the muslems.

People of the muslem faith are killing people everyday and all I keep hearing is that their message is one peace. They slaughtered over 3,000 people in the twin towers and yet we keep hearing about how peace loving they are.

People don't want "In God We Trust" on our money because it offends them. They don't want it in our pledge of allegiance because they're offended. The ten commandments offend people. I could go on and on.

The signs are out there. You just have to open your eyes.

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These are signs of persecution, and Jesus told us they would come. please see my reply to super jew

[apothanein kerdos]

If you want a sign of faith then look to a child learning to read the Bible. If you want a sign look to the former drug addict that is now leading worship. If you want a sign look to the broken man being made complete.

In our quest for the extrodinary we have completely forgotten about the extrodinarily "mundane". In our quest for signs, we have over looked the most obvious and moving ones.

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These are signs, and good ones, they prove the power, and Grace of the Holy Spirit, in fact, I'm living proof of God's grace.

What I mean is the specific signs that would accompany the preaching of the Gospel. Like Jesus carefully taught;

Matthew

10:7,8 "And as you go, preach, saying, ' the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, raise the dead, clense the lepers, freely you have received, freely give'."

Mark

16:20 " And they went out and preached everywhere while the Lord worked with them, and confirmed the word by the signs that followed."

These are signs I'm talking about, where are we taught that these are no longer needed? I think they are needed now just as much as then.

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Matthew 10 was to the 70 disciples, not to us. Mark 16 is Hebrew hyperbole.

[Franky67]

If you want a sign of faith then look to a child learning to read the Bible. If you want a sign look to the former drug addict that is now leading worship. If you want a sign look to the broken man being made complete.

In our quest for the extrodinary we have completely forgotten about the extrodinarily "mundane". In our quest for signs, we have over looked the most obvious and moving ones.

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These are signs, and good ones, they prove the power, and Grace of the Holy Spirit, in fact, I'm living proof of God's grace.

What I mean is the specific signs that would accompany the preaching of the Gospel. Like Jesus carefully taught;

Matthew

10:7,8 "And as you go, preach, saying, ' the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, raise the dead, clense the lepers, freely you have received, freely give'."

Mark

16:20 " And they went out and preached everywhere while the Lord worked with them, and confirmed the word by the signs that followed."

These are signs I'm talking about, where are we taught that these are no longer needed? I think they are needed now just as much as then.

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Matthew 10 was to the 70 disciples, not to us. Mark 16 is Hebrew hyperbole.

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How are we different than the 70 ?

6:12, 13 "And they went out and preached that men should repent, and they were casting out many demons, and were anointing with oil many sick people and healing them."

16:15 "And He said to them ' go into all the world and preach the Gospel to all creation."

And how are we different than those above who were told to go into all the world and do what Jesus said to do ? What are we to do today, just pass out tracts and let it go at that ? I'm talking about the power that Jesus said we would have to preach the Gospel with the confirmation by the acts of the Holy Spirit.

Jesus is our example, and He used a bit more than words.