Why Do Christians Always Point to Prophecy?

[OneLight]

3 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

And in 70 AD that is exactly what happened. The age of the old covenant Jews was ended with a bang.

Nope, not so, even though you continue to teach that it did.

When did all this happen?  I'm sure some can be said to of happened in those days, but not all ... :

• For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.
• Hear of wars and rumors of wars. where nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.
• Famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 
• Christians delivered up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake.
• Then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another.
• Many false prophets will rise up and deceive many.
• Because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold.
• The gospel of the kingdom preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations.
• The ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place 
• There will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
• Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 
• False christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive,
• Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
• The sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
• And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
• The parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near.  (So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors!  Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.  Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.)

There is so much more that needs to be fulfilled that what you claim to of been done in the past is impossible to prove, no matter how you word it.  Yes, Titus did fulfill the words of Jesus (“Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”), but not everything that needed to happen happened.

[Justin Adams]

Read Revelation and Josephus alongside Ken Gentry's "When Jerusalem Fell".

Forget pre-mil error and Dispensational stuff. Just study history please and find out for yourself.

[OneLight]

All I need is scripture to show what scripture tells me, not mans creation twisting scripture to mean what it was not meant to be.  You can keep all your doubt.  I'll continue to watch for the return of our Lord and Savior, Jesus.

[Justin Adams]

1 minute ago, OneLight said:

All I need is scripture to show what scripture tells me, not mans creation twisting scripture to mean what it was not meant to be.  You can keep all your doubt.  I'll continue to watch for the return of our Lord and Savior, Jesus.

In that case, read and understand it as written with due note taken of historic flamboyant hyperbole as seen in most OT prophets. All of us see some history in the scriptures but many see too much futurism when studied incorrectly.

I also continue to watch and wait for the return of our King and Priest. As Kings and Priest belonging to Him we should deport ourselves accordingly and NOT listen to pulpit fables.

Read your bible as written and get into the mindset of the writers and readers of those day. Understand their worldview and that Yeshua was talking to Jews about Jews and about what was 'shortly' to take place in and around Jerusalem. AD70.

[OneLight]

11 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

In that case, read and understand it as written with due note taken of historic flamboyant hyperbole as seen in most OT prophets. All of us see some history in the scriptures but many see too much futurism when studied incorrectly.

I also continue to watch and wait for the return of our King and Priest. As Kings and Priest belonging to Him we should deport ourselves accordingly and NOT listen to pulpit fables.

Read your bible as written and get into the mindset of the writers and readers of those day. Understand their worldview and that Yeshua was talking to Jews about Jews and about what was 'shortly' to take place in and around Jerusalem. AD70.

Oh, I do read scripture as written, which is why I can see the difference between what happened around 70AD and what is suppose to happen in the future.    Now, will you answer my question: When did all this happen? 

[Guest kingdombrat]

11 hours ago, Firebirdman55 said:

Just a question...anytime something bad happens in the world, why do Christians always say it’s a sign and the end is near. I cannot tell you how much I see this on a daily basis. Wars and other catastrophes have been happening for thousands of years...and sometimes I think it hurts us and makes people who are not Christians run further from the truth. People start date setting and everything when events unfold. I do believe in the Bible, but I don’t believe that everything that happens is a sign. 

Prophecies are Promises by God that the Event prophesied will happen.   And until all of the Prophecies are fulfilled pertaining to Christ's Second Coming, we understand God won't return.   So, it gives us something to [gage] by.   And it gives us an idea to where we are at among the remaining unfulfilled Prophecies.   So it is very important in the [Time-Line of man's history since Adam until Christ's Second Coming].

Edited May 12, 2021 by kingdombrat

[Guest kingdombrat]

33 minutes ago, OneLight said:

All I need is scripture to show what scripture tells me, not mans creation twisting scripture to mean what it was not meant to be.  You can keep all your doubt.  I'll continue to watch for the return of our Lord and Savior, Jesus.

Preterist hate this: It proves John was not in Patmos in 70 A.D., so nothing about the Apocalypse refers to 70 A.D.

 

Even Moses Stuart, America’s most prominent preterist, admitted that the “tyrant here meant is probably Domitian.”

[missmuffet]

12 hours ago, Firebirdman55 said:

Just a question...anytime something bad happens in the world, why do Christians always say it’s a sign and the end is near. I cannot tell you how much I see this on a daily basis. Wars and other catastrophes have been happening for thousands of years...and sometimes I think it hurts us and makes people who are not Christians run further from the truth. People start date setting and everything when events unfold. I do believe in the Bible, but I don’t believe that everything that happens is a sign. 

What do you does the Bible tell you what will happen in the future of our earth? How should we respond?

[Diaste]

22 hours ago, The Light said:

Luke 21

⁷ And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

Matt 16

The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven.

² He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.

³ And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

I don't get it. 

[Ray12614]

Pre-trib, Mid-trib, Post trib: honestly I do not care. Yes, I lean towards all of them and can quote scripture to prove my points. 

I say: we should live our lives as if He is coming tomorrow, and make plans as if he won't come back for 100 years. Frankly the bigger picture is: Are we living our lives for Him, and being faithful stewards of what He has given us (parable of talents)?

IF Jesus does not come back today . . . BUT . . . you die before the day is over . . . are you ready to meet Him ? ? ?  Are your loved ones ready  ? ? ?

That is my life's primary purpose . . . . 

Grace and Peace . . .  Ray . . .