Why Do Christians Always Point to Prophecy?

[Diaste]

2 hours ago, electlady said:

What don’t you get? 

I think thelight was making a point, just not sure what point. 

[Still Alive]

On 5/12/2021 at 12:13 AM, Firebirdman55 said:

Just a question...anytime something bad happens in the world, why do Christians always say it’s a sign and the end is near. I cannot tell you how much I see this on a daily basis. Wars and other catastrophes have been happening for thousands of years...and sometimes I think it hurts us and makes people who are not Christians run further from the truth. People start date setting and everything when events unfold. I do believe in the Bible, but I don’t believe that everything that happens is a sign. 

It's really not all Christians. It's the ones that are into that sort of thing. I used to be, so I see where it's coming from. But most of the Christians I know don't get into that stuff much any more. We study it so we'll know it when we see it, but that's about it. 

And that is really what it's all about anyway. I think a lot of people don't realize why bible prophesy exists. It's not there to predict the future. It is there as a warning. And whenever it comes true, it validates the veracity of the prophesy. 

[The Light]

3 hours ago, Diaste said:

I don't get it. 

I know you don't brother, but this comes as no surprise.

You also don't get that Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood, which we can see in Genesis 7. No matter how many times I explain that in Genesis 7 there are several different versions of ONE flood story. Noah only enters the ark with the animals one time, 7 days before the flood, even though we are given 3 accounts of Noah entering the ark and the earth flooding. Don't take the end of one account and use it as the beginning of another account. You will be confused.

You also don't get that the Church is already in heaven in Rev 4 and 5 before any seals are opened, even though the verses clearly show the Church there.

You also don't get that the 70th week of Daniel is about THE PEOPLE OF DANIEL. It has nothing to do with the Church.

You also don't get that there are 144,000 first fruits, twelve thousand from each tribe, which guarantees a harvest of the 12 tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman. This is the harvest that occurs before the wrath of God.

You also don't get that the mystery of God and the wrath God are over at the 7th trumpet. What you see in Rev 13, 14, 15, and 16 is just a different version of what happens during the 7 seals, which we can prove by the wrath of God beginning in Rev 14:

¹⁹ And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

Just like there is only one flood, even though we are given different accounts of the same flood, there is one wrath of God, even though we are given two accounts of the same wrath.

You also don't get that we can prove that it is the twelve tribes across the earth and not the Church that is raptured before the wrath of God because we can see them singing the song of Moses in Rev 15:

³ And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

You also don't get that the fig tree has two harvests and that the Jews were supposed to be the 1st harvest, but they served other Gods. Therefore the Jews will not be the 1st harvest, but the Church will be the 1st harvest.

Hosea 9:¹⁰ I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

I could go on and on about what you don't get, but the effort would be left wanting. What I don't get is how you don't see these things which are clearly written in the scriptures. Just read what it says.

[Still Alive]

3 hours ago, Ray12614 said:

Pre-trib, Mid-trib, Post trib: honestly I do not care. Yes, I lean towards all of them and can quote scripture to prove my points. 

I say: we should live our lives as if He is coming tomorrow, and make plans as if he won't come back for 100 years. Frankly the bigger picture is: Are we living our lives for Him, and being faithful stewards of what He has given us (parable of talents)?

IF Jesus does not come back today . . . BUT . . . you die before the day is over . . . are you ready to meet Him ? ? ?  Are your loved ones ready  ? ? ?

That is my life's primary purpose . . . . 

Grace and Peace . . .  Ray . . .  

I agree but will add a facet: I believe, regarding the Kingdom of heaven that it is "already, but not yet". i.e. I live as if I am already living in the Kingdom, because I believe I am. But it is not yet completed. 

[Diaste]

3 hours ago, The Light said:

I know you don't brother, but this comes as no surprise.

You also don't get that Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood, which we can see in Genesis 7. No matter how many times I explain that in Genesis 7 there are several different versions of ONE flood story. Noah only enters the ark with the animals one time, 7 days before the flood, even though we are given 3 accounts of Noah entering the ark and the earth flooding. Don't take the end of one account and use it as the beginning of another account. You will be confused.

You also don't get that the Church is already in heaven in Rev 4 and 5 before any seals are opened, even though the verses clearly show the Church there.

You also don't get that the 70th week of Daniel is about THE PEOPLE OF DANIEL. It has nothing to do with the Church.

You also don't get that there are 144,000 first fruits, twelve thousand from each tribe, which guarantees a harvest of the 12 tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman. This is the harvest that occurs before the wrath of God.

You also don't get that the mystery of God and the wrath God are over at the 7th trumpet. What you see in Rev 13, 14, 15, and 16 is just a different version of what happens during the 7 seals, which we can prove by the wrath of God beginning in Rev 14:

¹⁹ And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

Just like there is only one flood, even though we are given different accounts of the same flood, there is one wrath of God, even though we are given two accounts of the same wrath.

You also don't get that we can prove that it is the twelve tribes across the earth and not the Church that is raptured before the wrath of God because we can see them singing the song of Moses in Rev 15:

³ And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

You also don't get that the fig tree has two harvests and that the Jews were supposed to be the 1st harvest, but they served other Gods. Therefore the Jews will not be the 1st harvest, but the Church will be the 1st harvest.

Hosea 9:¹⁰ I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

I could go on and on about what you don't get, but the effort would be left wanting. What I don't get is how you don't see these things which are clearly written in the scriptures. Just read what it says.

As I have said before, "I understand what you say, I reject what you conclude."

[The Light]

3 hours ago, Diaste said:

As I have said before, "I understand what you say, I reject what you conclude."

That's the point. All you have to do is read what the Word says. It means what it says. That's the conclusion.

Edited May 13, 2021 by The Light

[Diaste]

9 hours ago, The Light said:

That's the point. All you have to do is read what the Word says. It means what it says. That's the conclusion.

That I agree with. Funny how several different conclusions can be drawn from the same material, isn't it?

[Justin Adams]

18 hours ago, Still Alive said:

I live as if I am already living in the Kingdom, because I believe I am. But it is not yet completed. 

Exactly right. It has only been since Darby and Scofield and popular myth books like Hal Lindsay and Tim Lahaye wrote that people have been more concerned with their skins than ever before. The pre-mil and Dispensational stuff has everyone looking over their shoulders. Those books actually state that God made a mistake and so has to come back in the future. They deny the Person and Divinity of Christ and basically short-circuit the Gospel.

It is not inconsequential. Most people that believe do not understand the origins of all this hype. They have not been given the whole picture - just a jaded bookseller short review of the facts. They become powerless because of faulty teaching.

[Alive]

Videos only allowed in the section for videos.

[Still Alive]

2 hours ago, Alive said:

Videos only allowed in the section for videos.

I wish I knew a way to just post a link to a video. It's only raw information, just like all the other information sources. 

I tried to just post a link. I'll try to add a space somewhere in the future and instruct people to just remove the space so they can get to it and I can post it without using some other thread.

I just realized I can just display the link so a video can be treated like any other link. Thanks for the heads up. From here on in I'll only post videos in the video section, and just link to them in other threads, as we do with all other articles.

Thanks!

And here is the video link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykH8E9wTCcQ

 

Edited May 14, 2021 by Still Alive