JOSEPHUS

[Riverwalker]

4 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

Josephus is neither Christian.   Wouldn't his views be tainted since he did not believe in God?

God has used many non Jews and Christians to perform his will.

He has been scrutinized for 2000 years and yet for PURE HISTORY sake (not biblical) he is a go to source

 

Edited May 12, 2021 by Riverwalker

[other one]

2 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

God has used many no Jews and Christians to perform his will.

He has been scrutinized for 2000 years and yet for PURE HISTORY sake (not biblical) he is a go to source

 

he may be a go to source for some things of history, but surely you don't believe everything he has said/written?

 

[Riverwalker]

2 minutes ago, other one said:

he may be a go to source for some things of history, but surely you don't believe everything he has said/written?

 

I don't BELIEVE anything he says, He is useful for historical background

[Guest kingdombrat]

8 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

God has used many non Jews and Christians to perform his will.

He has been scrutinized for 2000 years and yet for PURE HISTORY sake (not biblical) he is a go to source

 

So has Constantine and we know he was Pagan and his own mother worshiped as a goddess.   We find all sorts of errors within the outline of the Chosen Books, not literally Inspired by God but by Constantine.

 

The Didache is supposedly written by the Actual Apostles but there are multiple examples we NEVER see the Apostles do like sprinkle water in Baptism, or Fast [we never] see the Apostle fast.

 

Jospehus' accounts are the same.

Edited May 12, 2021 by kingdombrat

[Guest kingdombrat]

5 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

I don't BELIEVE anything he says, He is useful for historical background

He's only good for the use of Preterism.   Are you a Preterist based upon his Historical Account?

[Riverwalker]

1 minute ago, kingdombrat said:

He's only good for the use of Preterism.   Are you a Preterist based upon his Historical Account?

No I am not a preterist

But he is also good as an outside source of the existence of Jesus and Christianity

If you want to attack preterism use the bible, there is enough there for anyone with ears to hear, and those without won't hear anything any way

 

[Guest kingdombrat]

1 minute ago, Riverwalker said:

No I am not a preterist

But he is also good as an outside source of the existence of Jesus and Christianity

If you want to attack preterism use the bible, there is enough there for anyone with ears to hear, and those without won't hear anything any way

 

AMEN!

 

 

[Guest kingdombrat]

And just to toss this out here for those who could be considering my original post to be from the views of a [Racist] human being. 

 

 Please don't tell my African American wife, my bi-Racial children, my wife's African American side of the Family and Friends.   They might laugh at you because we all know the Ancient Jews were very dark skinned ([Paul] was thought once to be Ethiopian).   I love my Lord and Savior even if he is a [short person] long face, long nose, unibrowed, hillbilly looking beard, and black skinned like a middle of the farm land night!

 

 

[Alive]

I will add one thing here. It is clear in reading Josephus that he loved Jerusalem and he attempted to persuade the zealots to abandon their foolishness and surrender to the Romans. In fact, the Romans enlisted Josephus to do just that. Based on what I know of these things, Josephus was not a traitor to his own people. Instead the Jews in Jerusalem pretty much destroyed themselves.

Much of his account is consistent with the Roman historian and senator Tacitus. His account of 70 AD and his account of Jesus' crucifixion under Pilate and of the early Christians is remarkable.

[Guest kingdombrat]

Just now, Alive said:

I will add one thing here. It is clear in reading Josephus that he loved Jerusalem and he attempted to persuade the zealots to abandon their foolishness and surrender to the Romans. In fact, the Romans enlisted Josephus to do just that. Based on what I know of these things, Josephus was not a traitor to his own people. Instead the Jews in Jerusalem pretty much destroyed themselves.

Much of his account is consistent with the Roman historian and senator Tacitus. His account of 70 AD and his account of Jesus' crucifixion under Pilate and of the early Christians is remarkable.

I never read from Tacitus concerning this:

Titus Flavius Josephus is best remembered as an unparalleled chronicler of first-century C.E. Jewish history. His legacy also includes a military record marked by the betrayal of his peers and capitulation to the Romans. As a commander in the Jewish revolt, Josephus attempted to persuade his companions to open the gates of Yodfat for the Romans, and when the city fell, he reneged on the group’s suicide pact and personally surrendered.