Theological Problems with God-guided Evolution

[Marathoner]

I'm glad to make the biological argument for the uniqueness of Homo Sapiens whom we may refer to collectively as Adam, which is Man. 

This answers the question of others on the face of this earth contemporaneous with Adam, who is Man. The archeological record bears witness to this truth: we shared the earth with people who were very much like us, but different from us in important ways. 

Indeed, forensic evidence reveals a 99.7% genetic similarity between us and the extinct Neanderthal lineage (they met with extinction 35,000 years ago). Evidence indicates that Sapiens (Adam) and Neanderthals intermingled and had children together in isolated regions of continental Europe and Asia Minor. 

The proof is our own genome. People of European ancestry bear genetic markers unique to the Neanderthal lineage, which was fully sequenced in 2010. 

What makes us different from Neanderthals? 

1. A fissured cranium. No other human-like creature sports a fissured cranium. 
2. Taller and more slender, with a greater surface area to body mass ratio ideal for the shedding of excess heat. Man is a long-distance runner. Neanderthals by comparison were shorter and stockier, sporting less surface area with a greater body mass ratio which is ideal for the retention of heat.  Fitting since Neanderthals endured the extremes of an Ice Age.
3. Recent evidence suggests that Sapiens is more flexible and innovative than Neanderthals were; this difference is postulated to be genetic in origin.

The biological evidence, in my opinion, defines Homo Sapiens as the Adam of scripture. Surely this is the case since Jesus Christ, the One who created all things and the second Adam, came in the flesh as one of us. 

Edited June 7, 2021 by Marathoner

[Marathoner]

2 hours ago, one.opinion said:

I'm a bit embarrassed to say that this thought had never occurred to me before you mentioned it in this thread.  This really makes a good deal of sense. Do you know of theologians that have written about similar considerations?

I found a paper written by Ed Christian regarding interpretations of Genesis 1:1 - 2:3, which you may find via search engine using the words "interpretations of Genesis 1 as a vision." 

Insofar as arguments for and against a literal interpretation of the passages in question, you'll find references in early Christian literature; the theologian Origen wrote about it. 

[one.opinion]

18 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

Insofar as arguments for and against a literal interpretation of the passages in question, you'll find references in early Christian literature; the theologian Origen wrote about it.

If I recall correctly, Augustine also argued for a non-literal interpretation, although I believe his conclusion was an instantaneous creation.

[Marathoner]

2 minutes ago, one.opinion said:

If I recall correctly, Augustine also argued for a non-literal interpretation, although I believe his conclusion was an instantaneous creation.

I can only concur. I haven't delved into Augustine; I'm aware of who he was and his place in history, but that's the extent of my knowledge. A brother encouraged me to look into his writings but I was sidetracked by Calvin's commentaries. I'll get around to it eventually.  

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, Marathoner said:

Indeed, forensic evidence reveals a 99.7% genetic similarity between us and the extinct Neanderthal lineage (they met with extinction 35,000 years ago). Evidence indicates that Sapiens (Adam) and Neanderthals intermingled and had children together in isolated regions of continental Europe and Asia Minor. 

Any chance that God just created an 'ape' that was 99.7 % the same, along with the dinosaurs and such that all became extinct at the Ice Age? hence the lack of 'innovation'?  

Could you tell me where to find a picture or information of a complete and totally natural skeleton of one?  Surely one had to have fallen into a tar pit, or got caught like the animals found in the middle of eating when the freeze hit, or was buried by a relative and found whole somewhere.  Do you happen to know in a general number how many full animal skeletons compared to 'human' ones have been found?  






 

[DeighAnn]

JUST learned this this morning and it struck me with awe.  

God spoke.  Voice of many waters.  

But today I learned about sound and vibrations and how they can be made visible to the eye with sand and discs with cords of music played and it makes a perfect geometrical pattern that varies as the vibrations do.  Various sounds make various forms that are geometrical, some resemble flower plants shells etc.  And I thought OMG just proof everywhere and not saying that is how anything was spoken into existence just saying 'what a trip'.   Thought I would share, never heard of it before

Clhadni's figures.  

Which led me to harmonograph? (spelling) and that is pretty cool too.   

[abcdef]

Maybe,

The creation story comes from the people of Israel before Moses was told about it.

It is a family story passed down from Adam, through Noah, through the fathers, through Joseph, and then 400 years until Moses wrote the story down.

 

[Montana Marv]

In the beginning God, what did He do.  It does not say He begin all with one cell.  God made the wild animals and their kind, life stock and their kind.  Birds and their kind.  All come into existence from His Voice.  All things were created by Jesus Christ, no evolution.

If evolution were true, when did mankind begin to multiply.  If it was a million years ago, our population would be in the hundreds of trillions now.  We would have dead bodies stacked up five feet across the earth.

If the big bang was true 5 billion years ago, ALL material/matter created from that blast would be of the same date. All matter would be completely sterilized.  All stars, planets, moons, asteroids would all be dated the same. They are not, Why?

In Christ

Montana Marv

[one.opinion]

1 hour ago, Montana Marv said:

If it was a million years ago, our population would be in the hundreds of trillions now.  We would have dead bodies stacked up five feet across the earth.

This is not based on any solid evidence.

1 hour ago, Montana Marv said:

All matter would be completely sterilized.  All stars, planets, moons, asteroids would all be dated the same. They are not, Why?

There is no claim by astronomers that all solar systems, or even galaxies formed all at the same time. Here was an interesting story from 2020.

https://physicsworld.com/a/astronomers-see-first-evidence-of-a-new-planet-being-born/

At the very least, astronomers are observing a very young star.

[Montana Marv]

1 hour ago, one.opinion said:

This is not based on any solid evidence.

There is no claim by astronomers that all solar systems, or even galaxies formed all at the same time. Here was an interesting story from 2020.

https://physicsworld.com/a/astronomers-see-first-evidence-of-a-new-planet-being-born/

At the very least, astronomers are observing a very young star.

Then no big bang 5 billion years ago.  This is the  evolution doctrine. Can't have it both ways. Can't have old and young galaxies with one big bang. 

In Christ 

Montana Marv