Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

[The Light]

2 hours ago, Diaste said:

That's true, but it's not the whole story. If we are talking about the GT then this has to be part of the conversation:

"For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days WILL BE CUT SHORT." [emphasis added]

Then if Jesus comes immediately after the GT we don't the day when that happens as Jesus also says about His coming:

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

So then Jesus comes after GT in an hour on a day that no one knows, the same day the GT is cut short. 

GT happens. It is cut short and immediately after that Jesus returns. It's not a great leap to see it's the coming of Jesus that stops the GT, and that coming and the end of GT happen at the same time.

This is the only and only coming of Jesus and while the fact of it isn't a secret,  the day and the hour of that coming is. 

 

Making that part of the conversation changes nothin, if you understand what is being talked about. The day of the Lord will not take the believers by surprise. The believers will be the Jews, as the Gentile Church will already be in heaven. The Jews will be fully aware that Jesus is returning at the last trump which is blown on the Feast of Trumpets. Part of Israel will have their blindness removed when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.

Matt 24 

1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

As to the Church, the Gentile believers, the GOODMAN will not know when He is coming. The GOODMAN can escape ALL THE THINGS that will come to pass and stand before the son of man. The GOODMAN can escape all the events of the seals as the seals are the 70th week of Daniel. This time is determined to be about the people of Daniel.

Two raptures. Two harvests. Learn the parable of the fig tree. The fig tree has two harvests.

[Dennis1209]

3 hours ago, Diaste said:

That's true, but it's not the whole story. If we are talking about the GT then this has to be part of the conversation:

"For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days WILL BE CUT SHORT." [emphasis added]

Then if Jesus comes immediately after the GT we don't the day when that happens as Jesus also says about His coming:

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

So then Jesus comes after GT in an hour on a day that no one knows, the same day the GT is cut short. 

GT happens. It is cut short and immediately after that Jesus returns. It's not a great leap to see it's the coming of Jesus that stops the GT, and that coming and the end of GT happen at the same time.

This is the only and only coming of Jesus and while the fact of it isn't a secret,  the day and the hour of that coming is. 

 

Morning,

Personally I have more questions than answers with my pre-tribulation viewpoint; such as: Why are we given exact days such as; 1,260 + 1,260; 2,550; 2565? The following statement and question can be associated and tied into end-time prophecy also. Would you agree with the following statement?

There is One God, in three Persons; the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit; all omniscience and coequal. 

If that is ones view, then Jesus humbled and humiliated Himself, and voluntarily gave up His omniscience, and limited Himself only to what the Father revealed. That seems to be what scripture tells us. 

The price Jesus paid for our sins may be more than we are aware of? I have nothing to back it up, and this is just a thought.

After Jesus's resurrection, in His glorified body, when He appeared and presented Himself to the apostles; He retained His scares and wounds. I'm wondering if anyone would debate that point? That is telling, and leads me to believe He will retains those scares and wounds for all eternity; as a symbol and sign of His love for us and what He went through for us.

Jesus walking this earth, was 100% God and 100% man, He was tempted in every way we can be tempted. His glorified body was not restored from the scares and wounds He endured. As I implied above, Jesus was not coequal with the Father and Holy Spirit when He walked this earth. He was not omnipresent or omniscience in the flesh [or was He, that is a different thought]. 

Now, if my thought is correct, that Jesus will retain His scares and wounds for all eternity, for reasons of my thoughts above; what about His omniscience, was that restored? 

[Diaste]

1 hour ago, Dennis1209 said:

Morning,

Personally I have more questions than answers with my pre-tribulation viewpoint; such as: Why are we given exact days such as; 1,260 + 1,260; 2,550; 2565? The following statement and question can be associated and tied into end-time prophecy also. Would you agree with the following statement?

There is One God, in three Persons; the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit; all omniscience and coequal. 

Agree.

1 hour ago, Dennis1209 said:

If that is ones view, then Jesus humbled and humiliated Himself, and voluntarily gave up His omniscience, and limited Himself only to what the Father revealed. That seems to be what scripture tells us. 

Shocking isn't it? Gave up His place to come down here for us? It's overwhelming, the love that shows from Him toward us.

1 hour ago, Dennis1209 said:

The price Jesus paid for our sins may be more than we are aware of? I have nothing to back it up, and this is just a thought.

He gave up a great deal more than we realize I'm sure. He IS the Creator.

1 hour ago, Dennis1209 said:

After Jesus's resurrection, in His glorified body, when He appeared and presented Himself to the apostles; He retained His scares and wounds. I'm wondering if anyone would debate that point? That is telling, and leads me to believe He will retains those scares and wounds for all eternity; as a symbol and sign of His love for us and what He went through for us.

You could be right that He bears the wounds forever. In His Warrior God-King estate in Rev 19 it's not said that's the case but it most certainly could be.

1 hour ago, Dennis1209 said:

Jesus walking this earth, was 100% God and 100% man, He was tempted in every way we can be tempted. His glorified body was not restored from the scares and wounds He endured. As I implied above, Jesus was not coequal with the Father and Holy Spirit when He walked this earth. He was not omnipresent or omniscience in the flesh [or was He, that is a different thought]. 

I think the woman at the well was a very good example of omniscience retained in the fleshy form. One could say the prophecies are another example. Paul tells us Jesus was all the fulness of the Godhead in bodily form. I think it was on three occasions He disappeared from the grasp of the religious cult that tried to kill Him. In my mind then Jesus was fully God, omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent at all times. He chose to listen to our Father and do His will and not exercise the full power of His might except on certain occasions. 

1 hour ago, Dennis1209 said:

Now, if my thought is correct, that Jesus will retain His scares and wounds for all eternity, for reasons of my thoughts above; what about His omniscience, was that restored? 

 

[Guest]

19 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

He does not know.

As a man He did not know. Certainly as GOD in Heaven He does know.

[Montana Marv]

1 hour ago, Rick_Parker said:

As a man He did not know. Certainly as GOD in Heaven He does know.

He said only the Father knows.  Not the Son nor angels. I will go by what He said. It is the Father who draws believers to His Son.

In Christ 

 Montana Marv 

[missmuffet]

23 hours ago, TrueGospel said:

The Word of God says that Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation.

Matthew 24:29-31, Mark 13:24-27, John 17:15

Matthew 24:29-31 King James Version

²⁹ Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

³⁰ And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

³¹ And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

 

 Before the Real Jesus Christ comes back: Great earthquake that shakes Earth and Heaven, sun shall be turned into darkness, moon into blood, stars shall withdraw their shining, heaven rolled like a scroll, every mountain and island moved out of their places, great hail out of heaven pelting on some of Satan's children on earth.

 

Isaiah 13:9-13, Ezekiel 38:19-23, Joel 2:10-11, Joel 2:30-32, Haggai 2:6, 21, Matthew 24:29-34, Matthew 24:35, Mark 13:24-29, Mark 13:31, Acts 2:19-20, Luke 21:25-33 and Hebrews 12:26-28, Revelation 6:12-17, Compare Daniel 7:13-14, 27, Ezekiel 13:13, Revelation 11:15-19, Revelation 16:17-21

 

Joel 3:16-21 "16The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel."

 

 

If you are interested in freedom from sin and how do we receive the Holy Spirit? read below.
After God gave me the Holy Spirit, I found proof that TV, movies, novels, music, video games and computer games are all sins, except Christian stuff that don’t have sins like sermons and Christian music words that gives messages. I found out that in them there is lying, stealing, adultery (Matthew 5:28 looking at someone with lust is adultery), fornication which is sex before marriage, revenge, murder, jealousy, pride=self-pity, hypocrisy, using God’s name in vain as a curse word, they are all idols (breaks 2nd Commandment) because most people can’t live without them and they love them more than God and more. Just read the 10 commandments for a list.

1 John 2:15 King James Version (KJV)


15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 New King James Version

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.


Now I will be preaching about how to receive the Holy Spirit and be 100% going to Heaven.

First, it’s only by the grace of God that he gives you faith in Jesus Christ in order to give up your sins. It’s only by the grace of God that he leads you to pray to him to destroy all your evil desires of watching TV or any sinful desires. When you pray to God to destroy all your evil desires of watching TV or sinful desires (Romans 6:6-7 and Galatians 5:24), Satan will intervene and extremely tempt you in watching the TV. But if it’s God’s will and if you are one of God’s elects, you will overcome it and God will destroy all your evil desires of watching TV. After God has destroyed all your evil desires of watching TV and if you are one of God’s elects, you receive the joy of the Holy Spirit for about 40 minutes. After the joy wears off, all existence of boredom no longer exists and you no longer burn out (psychology) anymore. That is when you have received the Holy Spirit.

Then it’s by the grace of God that he forgives you of your sins, as you confess and repent of your sins throughout your life which is called sanctification. But you can watch Christian stuff that don’t have sins (Like sermons) because that helps you grow more mature as a Christian spiritually and for more information about this sermon, go to spreadthegospel59.wordpress.com then go to
The short version of “To be free from sin (sin deceives and hurts everyone) and how do we receive the Holy Spirit?”

Why does God hate sin? | GotQuestions.org
What does it mean that “you were bought with a price” (1 Corinthians 6:20; 7:23)? | GotQuestions.org
Sin Will Never Make You Happy
(What does the Bible say about hypocrisy? | GotQuestions.org)
Gives thanks to God, that you are free from sin (sin deceives=never satisfied no matter how many times you do it,
gives pain, makes you guilty, go from bad to worse)
if you are one of God’s elect, to fight off self-pity is to give thanks to God for everything. What does the Bible say about self-pity? | GotQuestions.org
Is eternal security a “license” to sin? | GotQuestions.org

The reason why am hated for no reason since I were physically born and never fit in is because am one of God’s elects. (John 15:18-19)


Just so you know Jesus had to carry all of God’s elects sins and endure the punishment for God’s elects sins which is Hellfire spiritually, which is extreme love and mercy.
Go to the bottom website, for better explanation.

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/jesus-eternal-punishment-hours/

How do you interpret these words?

1 Corinthians 15:50-54

 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

1 Thessalonians 4: 16-17

 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

 

 

 

[missmuffet]

27 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

He said only the Father knows.  Not the Son nor angels. I will go by what He said. It is the Father who draws believers to His Son.

In Christ 

 Montana Marv 

But Jesus Christ is now glorified in heaven and has been given this information by the Father. 

[Montana Marv]

1 hour ago, missmuffet said:

But Jesus Christ is now glorified in heaven and has been given this information by the Father. 

Scripture says only God the Father knows.  The Son, bridegroom is preparing the dwelling in the Father's house. Waiting for  the  Father to say,  go retrieve your  Bride. 

In Christ 

Montana Marv 

[Michael37]

9 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

Now, if my thought is correct, that Jesus will retain His scares and wounds for all eternity, for reasons of my thoughts above; what about His omniscience, was that restored? 

Typo spotted. 

Does the glorified body of Christ retain any scars and wounds?  I am prepared to believe the glorified body of Christ is free of any reminders of His suffering, and after Judgment Day there will be no agonising in heaven, not over anything.

Rev 21:4  He will wipe away every tear from their eyes. Death will be no more; neither will there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain, any more. The first things have passed away.”

Rev 22:3-5  There will be no curse any more. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and his servants will serve him.  (4)  They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads.  (5)  There will be no night, and they need no lamp light; for the Lord God will illuminate them. They will reign forever and ever.

[Diaste]

5 hours ago, Rick_Parker said:

As a man He did not know. Certainly as GOD in Heaven He does know.

Possibly. But we don't.