The Intellect Verses The Heart

[Marathoner]

1 minute ago, David1701 said:

Who says that we don't need God's word?  I don't recall seeing any posts saying that the Bible is unnecessary; however, although necessary, it is not sufficient.  The Lord himself is necessary and sufficient.

If you were stranded, on a desert island, without a Bible, God could still keep you in fellowship with himself and provide for you.  If you were on the island with a Bible, but without the Lord, that would be another matter entirely!

Well said. Let us consider the example of the apostle Paul, a man who possessed the scriptures just like the members of his sect did. Paul was a Pharisee and he persecuted Christ with fanatical zeal. 

We understand why Paul accounted himself the chief of sinners. Stephen wasn't the only holy one the Pharisee persecuted unto death; we read in the book of Acts that Paul was infamous and feared by the saints for being the "hatchet man" of the Sanhedrin. He was their enforcer. 

But the Lord loved Paul first, choosing him to be His vessel to the Gentiles. Paul did not come to serve Jesus Christ by the reading of scripture; the Lord Himself came to Paul and struck him blind. We know the apostle's story from scripture.

No one is dismissing nor belittling the scriptures. That's a red herring and false accusation. Like all false accusation, it needs to cease right now.  

[David1701]

3 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

Well said. Let us consider the example of the apostle Paul, a man who possessed the scriptures just like the members of his sect did. Paul was a Pharisee and he persecuted Christ with fanatical zeal. 

We understand why Paul accounted himself the chief of sinners. Stephen wasn't the only holy one the Pharisee persecuted unto death; we read in the book of Acts that Paul was infamous and feared by the saints for being the "hatchet man" of the Sanhedrin. He was their enforcer. 

But the Lord loved Paul first, choosing him to be His vessel to the Gentiles. Paul did not come to serve Jesus Christ by the reading of scripture; the Lord Himself came to Paul and struck him blind. We know the apostle's story from scripture.

No one is dismissing nor belittling the scriptures. That's a red herring and false accusation. Like all false accusation, it needs to cease right now.  

Amen.

[JustClay]

1 hour ago, Marathoner said:

The bible didn't come into being until centuries after the days of the last apostle.

Really?  Didn’t Jesus read from the inspired words of Isaiah in the temple?

[Marathoner]

1 minute ago, JustClay said:

Really?  Didn’t Jesus read from the inspired words of Isaiah in the temple?

That was the Tanakh, the law and the Prophets. 

The bible is different. The bible was assembled centuries after the Lord ascended to sit upon the throne of the Father. There were different canons; different books included in the canon at various times; translations and so forth. You understand this, right?

[Marathoner]

It should also be pointed out that the Son of God was the One whom Isaiah heard. 

Edited June 16, 2021 by Marathoner
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[Whyme]

1 hour ago, Marathoner said:

The bible didn't come into being until centuries after the days of the last apostle. The scriptures do not save us nor have they at any time; my Lord Jesus Christ saves us, not your belief in the bible. 

We must come to Him for life, not your bible. We listen to His voice and we know Him for Jesus Christ is the same today, yesterday and forever. God is the God of the living, not the dead. You do not believe that the Lord speaks to us, that much is made clear by what you've written in this topic. 

What else did you write?
 

The Lord's word is delivered to us as recorded in the scriptures and also by those words spoken from His mouth.  His words are not intuitions... feelings... internalized assumptions... etc. You have failed to provide scriptural evidence of your strange belief that Satan seeks to deny people access to the scriptures. You only furnish intuition, feeling, and internalized assumption as an answer when questioned about that. 

Show us where your intuition and internalized assumption is recorded in the scriptures, @enoob57. Indeed, the scriptures are rich with references of God speaking to man over and over again. 

Without being saved by Jesus Christ and born again by the power of God, one is not a Christian. Without the Spirit of God, man walks in his flesh. Those two sentences are supported by scripture. Prove that your strange beliefs are supported in a similar way.

 

We may not have had a bible then but we had the scriptures found in the bible.

Edited June 16, 2021 by Whyme

[Selah7]

The Bible was given to us by our Father and I love it with all my heart.  It is my Father’s words I’m reading….or hearing. No other book in the whole wide world compares to it, and it is the delight of my soul. 

 

 

[Sower]

2 hours ago, David1701 said:

I thought about that very verse, as I was writing my post.  The Lord Jesus Christ is the Word made flesh.  "Word" here is the Greek word "logos", which means "an idea plus its expression".  In other words, Jesus is the very expression of God, in human form.

So, do I understand you correctly, that when the KJV bible I read says "and the word was God", it doesn't really mean that 'the word was God', and "what it really means" is your own interpretation as you posted?
Thank you for your post.

[enoob57]

The sufficiency of Scripture OT and NT is seen in satan’s attack on Jesus in the wilderness - the whole of the battle was over the Scripture ... you could see satan manipulate the Scripture to his own twisted advantage and Jesus allowing The Scripture to speak for it’s self and clearly showing us the sufficiency of Scripture even in angelic warfare and with God Himself!

[enoob57]

38 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

The bible is different. The bible was assembled centuries after the Lord ascended to sit upon the throne of the Father.

The Bible is Genesis- Malachi and Matthew through Revelation. It is called Scripture and it is unified in purpose and direction but must be rightly divided!