FreeWill

[Justin Adams]

12 minutes ago, clancy said:

I asked you, how would you know that Jesus was crucified for you?

Blood seeps into His eyes. He blinks then looks at me as they hammer in a nail.. He looks intently now at me and smiles reassuringly.

It is as if He is saying: "This is OUR plan and it is working!". He closes His eyes in agony and is hoisted aloft.

"And I, if I be lifted up, I will draw all men unto Me".

Not very much longer, later, as I weep, He cries: IT IS FINISHED.

[Guest clancy]

32 minutes ago, Selah7 said:

Note:  “born again” can/should be translated as “born from above.”

 

Not in my bible it doesn’t...Jesus declared, you must be born again....

[Guest clancy]

4 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

Blood seeps into His eyes. He blinks then looks at me as they hammer in a nail.. He looks intently now at me and smiles reassuringly.

It is as if He is saying: "This is OUR plan and it is working!". He closes His eyes in agony and is hoisted aloft.

"And I, if I be lifted up, I will draw all men unto Me".

Not very much longer, later, as I weep, He cries: IT IS FINISHED.

That made me cry, reading that.touched my heart,?

[Justin Adams]

1 minute ago, clancy said:

That made me cry, reading that.touched my heart,?

Me too as I wrote it...

[Alive]

9 minutes ago, clancy said:

Not in my bible it doesn’t...Jesus declared, you must be born again....

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from above, from a higher place, Jn. 3:31;

 

Young's Literal Translation

John 3:3 (YNG) Jesus answered and said to him, ‘Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born from above, he is not able to see the reign of God;’

[Guest clancy]

I have the NIV translation.

Jesus teaches Nicodemus.

John 3:3

In reply Jesus declared,I tell you the truth no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.?

[Not me]

7 hours ago, clancy said:

Once we are born again.

We still have free will?

I know this will probably open up a can of worms.

i would like to explore the meaning of free will....once we are born again?

Discuss?

For consideration;

Scripture says God has put two things before man, represented by fire and water, life or death… Or if one would their very nature, meaning that God has put before one their ability to choose the nature they would have… For all creatures including God must have a nature… For nature of a being being that which controls their behavior..

A dogs nature causes them to act like a dog, nothing you can do can make it act like a cat, because it does not have a cat’s nature..

God has put before man the ability to choose the nature that a man would have, and for all eternity is this choice for… Therefore one will receive their choice and the fruit of that choice, whether it be fire or water life or death..

And only according to that which the fire and water life or death have in them will they receive..

For the pondering..

A fellow ponder-er, Not me 

[Hopefully]

This is what being born again means to me. I know not all will agree but I am not here to argue. I am here to share my thoughts just like everyone else shares theirs.

“I baptize you with water, but the one who is coming will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.””
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:8‬ ‭ERV‬‬

“Jesus answered, “Believe me when I say that everyone must be born from water and the Spirit. Anyone who is not born from water and the Spirit cannot enter God’s kingdom.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:5‬ ‭ERV‬‬

“When all the people were being baptized, Jesus came and was baptized too. And while he was praying, the sky opened, and the Holy Spirit came down on him. The Spirit looked like a real dove. Then a voice came from heaven and said, “You are my Son, the one I love. I am very pleased with you.””
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3:21-22‬ ‭ERV‬‬

“So go and make followers of all people in the world. Baptize them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:19‬ ‭ERV‬‬

You accepted Christ Jesus as Lord, so continue to live following him. When you were baptized, you were buried with Christ, and you were raised up with him because of your faith in God’s power. God’s power was shown when he raised Christ from death.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:6, 12‬ ‭ERV‬‬

Edited June 20, 2021 by Hopefully

[missmuffet]

7 hours ago, clancy said:

Once we are born again.

We still have free will?

I know this will probably open up a can of worms.

i would like to explore the meaning of free will....once we are born again?

Discuss?

Yes, when a person becomes a born again Christian they still have free will. Salvation is God's work. Our motives, desires and actions are voluntary, and we are held responsible for them.

[grumix8]

We start from the beggining when Adam was giving the power to name the animals G-d gave him freewill to choose Genesis 2:20.
20 The man gave names to all livestock and to the birds of the heavens and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper fit for him.

Here G-d gives Adam gives him ability to think for himself and he decide the animals name.

There is difference from the freewill Hebrew people back in the days of Noah and Moses when the law was directed to G-d's people they had freewill to decide. Their decision is under the law because they did not know other religions or ways they were narrowminded but still the decision from good and evil existed. Did the errors of their fathers before them I mean the fall of Adam stopped them making decisions in their life. Israel did what they want based still of need of surviving. Killing, eating, proceating needs of humanity but no matter what the error of Adam did not take freewill from them.

Romans 7:19 **“**For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want.”

Ezekiel 18:20 “The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.”

Psalm 110:2 "Your people will volunteer freely in the day of Your power; In holy array, from the womb of the dawn, Your youth are to You as the dew."

From the day pagans evolved into modern world and establish their own way. Even thou they seperated from their pagan worhsip Rome forced them to mix their deities and influence with christianism and robbed the followers of Christ of Jesus and they painted him white. Named the G-d of Israel to Zeus and change their panteon.

Hebrew law or mosaic law reminds people to obey but G-d has taken prophets to save and do the will of G-d in wars, missions, and choosing good and evil. They break the law in disobeying G-d, prophets like Jeremiah who chose G-d disobey tradition and his father and told Israel their errors and love for the temple forgotten the temple inside they are made of. Kick Jeremiah out of their circle rejected from society he continued, we have Elijah who many don't talk about but he change the words of G-d and sentence Jezabel but G-d only wanted to punish Jezabel but Elijah added her family as punishment. G-d was angry at Elijah but forgave him. Still G-d's plan was only Jezabel but he made an exception for Elijah and freewill existed and changed yes G-d allows it.

People can change their course in life but what is the promblem from today. Is how the Greek way of thinking of liberalism was popular in the time of Jesus.

James 2:12 "So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty."

2 Corinthians 3:17 "Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."

And Greeks influence the time of jesus that people like Luke wrote his book in the bible and later Catholic church not knowing fully Hebrew culture copied things from greeks and influence the bible. Remember they were not G-d's people but A country that stoled and wrote their intrepretation of G-d and took Jesus as an emblema that is not real.

Greek theology is freedom and rationalist thought, Hebrew people is Law and Relation with the one G-d. Greeks have influence the modernworld and gives them right, the western world copies Greek and Roman culture and their diffinity in their laws have given the modern topic freewill. So freewill clashes with freewill in the old times. That is why everything has to do with predestination, Calvanism go ahead and read see all our versions of choosing good and evil have consequences but still you decide your future.

There are 2 fields :indeterminism and determinism explain modern freewill and both give notion of control. Indeterminism means free acts are not determine in other words what you do with works does not foretold your future and the path you have chosen. Determinism says everything you do has already decided your future and you have no career. Nothing can change your destiny but G-d can.

Matthew 12:37 “For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

God's general sovereignty- says god is in charge of everything but doesn't control everything
God's specific sovereignty- says that He not only has ordained everything, but He also controls everything.

Proverbs 16:9 “The mind of the man plans his way, but the Lord directs his steps.

Proverbs 3:5-6"Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight."