Being salt and light

[DeighAnn]

45 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

I think to answer your very pertinent question is in the following:

It seems that many believers are bent on extolling their 'fact' that Yeshua is NOT now Ruling and Reigning. Their eschatology tries to PROVE He is not in COMPLETE CONTROL right now. How many believers have been taught to short-circuit the facts of the Gospel of Grace; namely, that we are Ruling and Reigning with Christ in heavenly places right now?

Some might think to prove that God's Omnipotence and Sovereign Reign is not real today NOW.

Some may inadvertently actually speak against the Gospel in this way.

Do we sit around talking about past prophecies as if they were future?

Pentecost was the beginning of the Sovereign reign in all believers; of our Lord Yeshua Who has ALL POWER given Him.

Do we forget to operate in the Power given to us and instead argue and haggle about an eschatology that is already well in progress?

Do we not know that Yeshua's JUDGEMENT of the Jews in AD70 was the end of the old covenant prophecies because the NEW COVENANT of His Death and Resurrection is now in effect?

And lastly, how many requote OLD prophecies to support the theory that Yeshua failed and has to return again to get the ball rolling properly?

This is our job! NOW.

I personally (yes little old me) have SEEN the Spirit at work with my very own eyes. I know He is very much alive and in Power over everything in the Cosmos.

I know He is Ruling and Reigning right now. Are we in denial of this and keep looking backwards and expect some kind of future milenium? We are IN THE MILLENIUM RIGHT NOW.

We believers are to be Salt and Light thru Yeshua to the lost. "Go and make disciples..." were His last words before ascending.

Are you saying this deal took place/already happened?  

 SATAN's "deals and/or offers" 

Matthew 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.

Matthew 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Matthew 4:5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,

Matthew 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

Matthew 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

Matthew 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

Matthew 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve.

Matthew 4:11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.





Or are you saying ALL OF THIS HAS ALREADY taken place?

Revelation 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.



Because if it had then all this would have also, correct?

Revelation 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Revelation 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Revelation 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

Revelation 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Revelation 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

Revelation 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

Revelation 11:11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

Revelation 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Revelation 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

 

Revelation 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

Revelation 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O LORD God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Revelation 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.


OR is there something in between all this that takes place and then something else that takes place after that that puts us back to where we were so we can be where we need to be when that does come?  I am so lost trying to follow this path.   What are you taking literally and what are you not and how are you making these decisions?  Sure would be a welcome change to have it put forth in Gods words and see if,  without any explanations,  it can be seen in HIS written words.  

D

[Justin Adams]

3 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

True miss muffet, though I believe there is room for grace as the Lord takes into account our need to grow.  

Yes it is OJT..

[Guest clancy]

1 hour ago, Alive said:

Why do you suppose God has chosen to leave His children (Born from Above with Christ Life), in this dark world--rather than take us home after Conversion?

To spread the word....let the whole world know He is alive and reigning in our hearts......my son knows he’s alive...he listens to that most nights ,when he rings me.?

Every opportunity I get..I witness for the Lord..the more I mature the more I see the Lord in action in my life... it’s such a Blessing to know that he lives!!..?

Also that he lives in me/ taken up residence.

Edited June 22, 2021 by clancy

[Guest clancy]

1 hour ago, Justin Adams said:

I think to answer your very pertinent question is in the following:

It seems that many believers are bent on extolling their 'fact' that Yeshua is NOT now Ruling and Reigning. Their eschatology tries to PROVE He is not in COMPLETE CONTROL right now. How many believers have been taught to short-circuit the facts of the Gospel of Grace; namely, that we are Ruling and Reigning with Christ in heavenly places right now?

Some might think to prove that God's Omnipotence and Sovereign Reign is not real today NOW.

Some may inadvertently actually speak against the Gospel in this way.

Do we sit around talking about past prophecies as if they were future?

Pentecost was the beginning of the Sovereign reign in all believers; of our Lord Yeshua Who has ALL POWER given Him.

Do we forget to operate in the Power given to us and instead argue and haggle about an eschatology that is already well in progress?

Do we not know that Yeshua's JUDGEMENT of the Jews in AD70 was the end of the old covenant prophecies because the NEW COVENANT of His Death and Resurrection is now in effect?

And lastly, how many requote OLD prophecies to support the theory that Yeshua failed and has to return again to get the ball rolling properly?

This is our job! NOW.

I personally (yes little old me) have SEEN the Spirit at work with my very own eyes. I know He is very much alive and in Power over everything in the Cosmos.

I know He is Ruling and Reigning right now. Are we in denial of this and keep looking backwards and expect some kind of future milenium? We are IN THE MILLENIUM RIGHT NOW.

We believers are to be Salt and Light thru Yeshua to the lost. "Go and make disciples..." were His last words before ascending.

AMEN!!!

[Arrabon]

1 hour ago, Alive said:

Why do you suppose God has chosen to leave His children (Born from Above with Christ Life), in this dark world--rather than take us home after Conversion?

@Alive my brother.

Salt and light are both BEAUTIFUL gifts from our maker, to share with a dark hurting world with no hope, just as we once were.

Now I have true hope, and everlasting happiness and joy that I can pass on to others, as a dear friend did for me many years ago.

I see the struggles of becoming SALT and LIGHT, and yes it continues to be a struggle at times as I'm challenged in new ways, as not only goals and commands, but true privileges, because God has chosen to trust us with His word and trusted us to do our best in His love with those He brings to us to be salt and light for HIM and by Him for them.

My name is Arrabon

[Heleadethme]

1 hour ago, Justin Adams said:

 

Do we forget to operate in the Power given to us and instead argue and haggle about an eschatology that is already well in progress?

lol...that is well said brother.    I think of it as needing to make sure we at least have the first story built before making any attempt to add the second story.  

 

1 hour ago, Justin Adams said:

 

And lastly, how many requote OLD prophecies to support the theory that Yeshua failed and has to return again to get the ball rolling properly?

This is our job! NOW.

I agree.  However, I sometimes wonder whether the Lord is waiting for a preponderance of the Jews/Israel to be saved at some point before He visits His wrath on this world.  Seems to me that the Jews were largely forgotten by the church for many centuries, but in recent years there has been more attention paid to Jewish evangelism and many have been saved.  (Although it's also true that many have been fed with the same errors the church has been feeding off too, unfortunately.)

[Heleadethme]

1 hour ago, Justin Adams said:

 

We believers are to be Salt and Light thru Yeshua to the lost. "Go and make disciples..." were His last words before ascending.

Amen!  That's the purpose of being salt and light I believe....to make disciples.  I have heard some say that it's enough for the church to engage in social relief and social justice efforts without preaching/sharing the gospel.....but I can't help but think what good does it do in the long run to help people with physical needs in this short little life if they only end up perishing for eternity.  I think this verse is also true in reverse and serving/helping others in practical ways needs to go hand in hand with the gospel:

Jas 2:15-17

If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone

[Arrabon]

14 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

  I agree.  However, I sometimes wonder whether the Lord is waiting for a preponderance of the Jews/Israel to be saved at some point before He visits His wrath on this world.  Seems to me that the Jews were largely forgotten by the church for many centuries, but in recent years there has been more attention paid to Jewish evangelism and many have been saved.  (Although it's also true that many have been fed with the same errors the church has been feeding off too, unfortunately.)

@Heleadethme

In the end, the REMNANT  of Messianic Jews (Not the nation of Israel) and the REMNANT of true believers will be brought together to form one group of true believers in Christ. See verses below.

Ephesians 2:11-22

Jew and Gentile Reconciled Through Christ

11"Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)— 12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

14 For he himself is our peace, who has made 2 groups one, and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit."

Edited June 22, 2021 by Arrabon

[Guest clancy]

We are Disciples of the Most High.

 

Lord it’s an Honour And Privilege to serve you!!......Praise Jesus for His Precious Holy Spirit...??....

[David1701]

5 hours ago, Heleadethme said:

Thought to start a thread about being salt and light....what does this mean?  How are we to live as Christians in this world and what kind of vision should we have.  Anyone have any thoughts on this..?

Salt to preserve and make things "taste" better.

Light to display the character of Jesus and shine that light on others.

We should live in fellowship with the Lord and willing obedience to his leading.  He will produce the fruit of the Holy Spirit in our lives, glorifying him and blessing others.

Our vision will probably vary somewhat, in details, according to our different callings; but it should always include God being honoured and glorified, his word preached faithfully and his will done.