Wine and Ancient Israel

[Remnantrob]

Here's a good study.

Wine Preservation

Edited August 17, 2005 by Saved by Grace

[Iryssa]

If you think so........I still don't believe drug use was condoned by any means

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You might consider that alcohol's classification as a drug is a relatively recent thing. It's fine with me if you'd like to abstain from alcohol using that as a justification, but then you'd also better stay clear of caffeine and Tylenol while you're at it. I don't believe that everything under the "drug" category is sinful if used in moderation. "Illegal narcotics" is a completely different story.

P.S. Caffeine is not only contained in coffee and pop, but in chocolate, and any tea that does not have the label "caffeine-free" at the grocery store. (if you buy it loose, like I do, ask an employee of the store)

[Guest Zayit]

If you make grape juice and leave it alone in the climate of Israel it will turn to wine in about a half hour.

Everyone drank wine because they couldn't trust the water. Those verses speak against the abuse of wine.

Just like the verses about gluttony speak to the abuse of food.

hope that helps...

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Do you think the weather patterns today in Israel are exactly the same as they were back then?

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You mean you think grapes grew year round that there was no seasons? Even a cursory look at the Bible will tell you that isn't so.

Let ne ask you Rob, what was Jesus blessing the L-rD for that was in his cup?

[other one]

If you make grape juice and leave it alone in the climate of Israel it will turn to wine in about a half hour.

Everyone drank wine because they couldn't trust the water. Those verses speak against the abuse of wine.

Just like the verses about gluttony speak to the abuse of food.

hope that helps...

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Do you think the weather patterns today in Israel are exactly the same as they were back then?

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if you don't refrigerate it it doesn't matter. About like milk it would have to be below 45 degrees or it makes wine or vinegar depending on whether or not you have it in controlled conditions.

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If you think so........I still don't believe drug use was condoned by any means

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I don't have a problem with you feeling like that, as long as you don't go around condemning others who drink sensibly and don't sin over it.

[Trust & Obey]

Mar 7:15  There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

Mar 7:16  If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

Mar 7:17  And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.

Mar 7:18  And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;

Mar 7:19  Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

Mar 7:20  And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

Mar 7:21  For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

Mar 7:22  Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:

Mar 7:23  All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

If the wine drinking causes a person to commit any of the above offenses then this wine-drinking has become sin. Otherwise, it is not sin to simply drink wine.

Those with a propensity for addiction are wise to avoid wine altogether.

As a matter of fact, I choose not to drink alcohol at all, except for on very rare occasions (glass of champagne at a wedding, etc.) so that I don't offend a host or come off as "holier than thou."

I find that a lot of Christians fall into the extremes on this issue.

Either they are way too lenient and drink too much. Or, they are so anti-alcohol that if they hear about a Christian enjoying a drink they brand them a sinner and hypocrite.

Remember:

Rom 14:17  For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

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If God expects us to be a peculiar people and not of this world why worry about whether someone thinks that you "think" that you are "Holier than thou"? This is one extreme I'm in support of 100%. Wine/Alcohol is considered a drug and even a little bit doesn't take away from that fact.

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Because I think a glass of champagne during a toast at a wedding is entirely appropriate.

At my wedding we only served sparkling cider, so it wasn't an issue. But, if I was at someone elses wedding I would not hesitate to celebrate their wedding with a toast.

Regarding the drug analogy... so, I assume you've never taken Tylenol, Advil, Sudafed, etc? Correct?

[Guest yod]

If you think so........I still don't believe drug use was condoned by any means

what in the universe are you talking about?

It is a very cultural thing.

Yeshua had at least 4 cups of wine every Passover...and probably at least a glass per day. Are you judging Him?

[Trust & Obey]

If you think so........I still don't believe drug use was condoned by any means

what in the universe are you talking about?

It is a very cultural thing.

Yeshua had at least 4 cups of wine every Passover...and probably at least a glass per day. Are you judging Him?

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They didn't call Him a winebibber because He walked around with an Evian bottle

[apothanein kerdos]

America is the only place on earth that I know of where we have a problem with Jesus and the Biblical characters drinking wine. Drinking wine is acceptable in almost every other culture in the world...and history proves that they [ancient Israel] drank wine like we drink pop today. You couldn't drink the water or anything else because it would make you sick.

Gotta love having Puritans as founders...

[Iryssa]

America is the only place on earth that I know of where we have a problem with Jesus and the Biblical characters drinking wine. Drinking wine is acceptable in almost every other culture in the world...and history proves that they [ancient Israel] drank wine like we drink pop today. You couldn't drink the water or anything else because it would make you sick.

Gotta love having Puritans as founders...

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*grin* no kidding...that's it...I'm moving to Italy

[Remnantrob]

If you think so........I still don't believe drug use was condoned by any means

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You might consider that alcohol's classification as a drug is a relatively recent thing. It's fine with me if you'd like to abstain from alcohol using that as a justification, but then you'd also better stay clear of caffeine and Tylenol while you're at it. I don't believe that everything under the "drug" category is sinful if used in moderation. "Illegal narcotics" is a completely different story.

P.S. Caffeine is not only contained in coffee and pop, but in chocolate, and any tea that does not have the label "caffeine-free" at the grocery store. (if you buy it loose, like I do, ask an employee of the store)

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Hey Iryssa. Look at some of the SOF of my church and you'll see that we don't use caffeine in any form, alcohol, tobacco or anything that will hurt the body. Thanks for your concern.