Defense of the Post Trib Rapture

[JesusisGod2]

Hi Dad,

I very much see the temple that anti-Christ makes the abomination as a physical temple and dont really see any scripture as saying otherwise.

I do agree that we are the temple of the Holy Spirit, but the temple being spoke of in the end times will be in Jerusalem and will be physical unless I am seeing something totally wrong.

Notice that he is refered to the "man of sin" not the spirit of sin of which the spirit of anti-Christ is already at work in the world, the "man of sin" will be revealed and he will be the manifestation of the spirit of sin just as Jesus was the manifestation of the Spirit of Holiness.

Do you have any scripture referance as to your conclussions? I would be very interested in reviewing them.

God Bless,

Kevin

[Jedi4Yahweh]

Hi Davey,

Thats some pretty heavy stuff there brother!

Many will be decieved by anti-Christ which is the reason Jesus Has warned us ahead of time.

Many because they arent expecting to go through tribulation will think they are doing us and God a service by turning us over to the authorities, thinking we are decieved and blasphemers, but Jesus will be there with us through it all.

The time for the mark is rapidly approaching, and we of the faith will be put to the test by the enemy, but God will show us a route of escape.

God bless

Kevin

Amen brother

[Guest dustycanvas]

Hi,

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These guys are awesome!

I agree with post trib...but one quick tid-bit....if you die before the rapture...you are pre-trib. LOL

Sabrina

[Brad]

This generation

Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled [Matt. 24:34].

The word

[Guest dustycanvas]

Hi everyone,

I'm pentecostal (I noticed a few on the board here)...we are going through a "word aflame" published Bible study. Just this past Wednesday my pastor taught the section on the end times. Now, I am an end time teacher, I have spent the last two years studying nothing but end time doctrine...and when I went home Wednesday day, based soley on what he taught-I was confused. I can imagine how confused the remainder of the congregation was that had little or no end time knowledge. In general, the way end time doctrine is taught in the church is confusing. Reason being is because to many preachers use end time doctrine as a scare tactic instead of honestly trying to make it understable to the average person.

There is absolutely no scriptural base for the "God could come at any moment" statement. That is used in more altar calls than any others. His coming is not emminent. The bible clearly states a clear and decissive road map that pin points the time frame in which we will be raptured as a church. I discussed this with my pastor's wife and her eyes about bugged out of her head. Because, noone has ever addressed that before, atleast not in a direct manner.

The only scriptural doctrine is post Trib. If you study and watch...His coming will not be "as a thief", that scripture is referring to those who aren't watching.

God Bless,

Sabrina

[One Way]

I've noticed with some of the pre-trib doctrines that the rapture seems to be some sort of a "secret" coming of Christ, coming to take His bride out of here before the Great Tribulation comes down. 

Then His second coming in all His glory.  This seems to imply that He will come twice, once secretly and once in full view.  Which is difficult to support scripturally as well.

It's very easy to explain scripturally.

The secret coming for His bride:

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The coming that "evey eye shall see."

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Notice that that in 1 Thes. we meet Him in the clouds, whereas in Revelation 1:7 He returns with the clouds.

The Greek word "in" in 1 Thess 4:17 is "en." It means "a primary preposition denoting (fixed) position."

The Greek word "with" in Rev. 1:7 is "metah." It means "a primary preposition (often used adverbially); properly, denoting accompaniment." He will be "accompanied by the clouds." This is referring to His return with us, His bride. Where else are believers referred to as "clouds?"

Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us

The word "cloud" in Heb 12:1 is the same as in Rev 1:7, just a different tense of the word, yet the same word.

The pre-trib view is the only viewpoint which allows for the imminent return of Jesus Christ! Else, a whole series of events must unfold before He could return. Hence, His words here are meaningless:

Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Blessings...

[Brad]

why Futurism has made Jesus a false prophet.

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http://campus.fortunecity.com/defiant/666/coming2.html

[Guest dustycanvas]

futurism? what?

[Guest LCPGUY]

futurism? what?

It

[RGR]

why Futurism has made Jesus a false prophet.

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