Biden: Door to Door Vaccination Outreach Plan

[Slug1]

1 hour ago, one.opinion said:

I should add the caveat that vaccinations are just as safe as these proposed treatments and much more effective. Here in the US, where vaccines are available for free, the vaccines are a much better option.

 

Have you had a chance to poke around in the VAERS databases, specifically to the vax?

[one.opinion]

1 hour ago, Slug1 said:

Have you had a chance to poke around in the VAERS databases, specifically to the vax?

Yes, the VAERS is a self-reporting system that cannot verify any of the data that is input. It helps the CDC track issues with vaccination, but it is not designed to provide verified information. This is what the CDC says about the VAERS system:

"The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database contains information on unverified reports of adverse events (illnesses, health problems and/or symptoms) following immunization with US-licensed vaccines. Reports are accepted from anyone and can be submitted electronically at www.vaers.hhs.gov."

You can read more about the VAERS-related misinformation here - https://globalnews.ca/news/7957771/covid-19-vaccine-misinformation/

[Ozarkbound]

28 minutes ago, one.opinion said:

Yes, the VAERS is a self-reporting system that cannot verify any of the data that is input. It helps the CDC track issues with vaccination, but it is not designed to provide verified information. This is what the CDC says about the VAERS system:

"The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database contains information on unverified reports of adverse events (illnesses, health problems and/or symptoms) following immunization with US-licensed vaccines. Reports are accepted from anyone and can be submitted electronically at www.vaers.hhs.gov."

You can read more about the VAERS-related misinformation here - https://globalnews.ca/news/7957771/covid-19-vaccine-misinformation/

Why are you so quick to cheerlead for the CDC and immediately throw dirt on everything else? Sorry, I find that a bit troublesome. I have never been able to trust people who think their view is the only valid one.

[Ozarkbound]

3 hours ago, one.opinion said:

 

I should add the caveat that vaccinations are just as safe as these proposed treatments and much more effective. Here in the US, where vaccines are available for free, the vaccines are a much better option.

And you know this HOW? Your opinion is no more valid than onyone elses unless you have some special knowledge the rest of us have no access to. The Lord tells us to be humble, not to stick to one.opinion without weighing others. It looks as if you think your one.opinion is spoken with some kind of authority, How about coming down here with the rest of us so we can have a real back and forth?

Edited July 7, 2021 by Ozarkbound

[one.opinion]

3 minutes ago, Ozarkbound said:

Why are you so quick to cheerlead for the CDC and immediately throw dirt on everything else?

I think accurate information about vaccines and pandemics is important. This pandemic has been so awful in so many different ways. Vaccines that really are safe and really are effective are widely available here, yet there are a lot of people that will not get one based on misinformation. Vaccines are the easiest way for us to get past this without thousands of more people dying from the virus. We are at a point in the country where pockets of the country where vaccination rates are low are having a lot of problems with COVID cases.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/coronavirus/article252597333.html

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The number of hospitalized COVID-19 patients jumped by nearly 27% over the Fourth of July weekend in a hard-hit area of Missouri where immunization rates are low, leading to a temporary ventilator shortfall and a public call for help from respiratory therapists.

Yes, they issued a public request for Respiratory Therapists because there are not enough in the area to keep up with all the cases. Here is another crazy fact.

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As of Monday, CoxHealth and the city’s other hospital, Mercy Springfield, were treating 213 COVID-19 patients, up from 168 on Friday. As recently as May 24, the two hospitals had just 31 patients.

Not coincidentally, southwest Missouri has some of the lowest vaccination rates in the nation. Some counties have vaccination rates in the teens compared to the national average of 54.7%.

These are all facts, which is what I stick to when discussing COVID and vaccines on this site. If you construe presenting facts as "throwing dirt", I can't help it. I will continue to bring up facts.

21 minutes ago, Ozarkbound said:

I have never been able to trust people who think their view is the only valid one.

I also have trouble trusting people that claim that their opinion is the only valid one, but that is not what I'm doing. I am presenting facts.

21 minutes ago, Ozarkbound said:

And you know this HOW?

Because that is what the evidence tells us. I am not speculating here, I am giving facts.

22 minutes ago, Ozarkbound said:

The Lord tells us to be humble.

If I were spouting nonsense that my opinion was the only correct one, that would indeed lack humility.

However, I'm not. I'm just sharing facts.

While I'm at it, here are more facts about vaccine safety.

https://covid-101.org/science/how-many-people-have-died-from-the-vaccine-in-the-u-s/

Updated June 14, 2021

Over 309 million vaccine doses were given in the US as of June 7, 2021. The vaccines have been proven to be safe and effective. Vaccination is happening under the most intensive safety monitoring in U.S. history.

How do we know if someone dies after getting a vaccine?

The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) requires vaccination providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). When these reports are received, doctors from CDC and FDA review death certificates, autopsies, and medical records to understand what happened with each person.

How many people have died after getting a vaccine?

Between December 2020 and June 7th, 2021, VAERS received 5,208 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who got a vaccine. Doctors and safety monitors carefully review the details of each case to see if it might be linked to the vaccine. There are three deaths that appear to be linked to blood clots that occurred after people got the J&J vaccine. Since we now know how to correctly treat people who develop these blood clots, future deaths related to this very rare side effect can be prevented. By way of comparison, getting COVID-19 while unvaccinated poses a grave risk; as of June 14, 2021 more than 599,000 deaths have been attributed to the virus in the US alone.

After careful review of the additional data, doctors have decided that there is no evidence at all that the vaccines contributed to the other patient deaths. Nonetheless, the CDC and FDA will continue to investigate every single report of death (and other adverse events) reported to VAERS.

[Ozarkbound]

Surely you all realize that the government and it's institutions are not above lying to us.

Here is witness testimony.

I was stationed in England at an RAF Air base in 1983, Every six months we were administered a vaccine which was supposed to protect us from Typhus, of all things. Because my parents taught me to think, this made no sense. I was still in a first world county, knew of no one who was ill, or had died. Yet, in our base newsletter, we were regaled with the level of sickness due to Typhus all around us constantly. I knew this sounded like a load of bull so was resistant to getting the shot.

Decades later, I found out that underneath that base were nukes. Those shots were to protect us from accidental fallout. We were told Typhus due to national security and no one except me ever questioned anything.  The government was covering something up the whole time. 

People on that base were walking around terrified for their lives. I understand the need for national security, but no government that really values it's people has them living and working atop nukes. That is what large fields are for. So, you can trust everything you are told if it makes you feel better. I learned better first hand.

Edited July 7, 2021 by Ozarkbound

[one.opinion]

59 minutes ago, Ozarkbound said:

So, you can trust everything you are told if it makes you feel better. I learned better first hand.

Of course the government can hide the truth. I haven’t seen any evidence that would cause me to doubt, however. There are way too many people involved in the process for me to think there wouldn’t be one whistle-blower somewhere. Otherwise, all that is left is suspicion without any supporting evidence.

[Slug1]

4 hours ago, one.opinion said:

Yes, the VAERS is a self-reporting system that cannot verify any of the data that is input. It helps the CDC track issues with vaccination, but it is not designed to provide verified information. This is what the CDC says about the VAERS system:

"The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database contains information on unverified reports of adverse events (illnesses, health problems and/or symptoms) following immunization with US-licensed vaccines. Reports are accepted from anyone and can be submitted electronically at www.vaers.hhs.gov."

You can read more about the VAERS-related misinformation here - https://globalnews.ca/news/7957771/covid-19-vaccine-misinformation/

In your poking around, what did you find concerning what people are reporting about the various Covid VAXes? I understand the fact most are from unverified sources. However, as Christians there is "discernment," one can exercise.

[Slug1]

2 hours ago, Ozarkbound said:

Surely you all realize that the government and it's institutions are not above lying to us.

Here is witness testimony.

I was stationed in England at an RAF Air base in 1983, Every six months we were administered a vaccine which was supposed to protect us from Typhus, of all things. Because my parents taught me to think, this made no sense. I was still in a first world county, knew of no one who was ill, or had died. Yet, in our base newsletter, we were regaled with the level of sickness due to Typhus all around us constantly. I knew this sounded like a load of bull so was resistant to getting the shot.

Decades later, I found out that underneath that base were nukes. Those shots were to protect us from accidental fallout. We were told Typhus due to national security and no one except me ever questioned anything.  The government was covering something up the whole time. 

People on that base were walking around terrified for their lives. I understand the need for national security, but no government that really values it's people has them living and working atop nukes. That is what large fields are for. So, you can trust everything you are told if it makes you feel better. I learned better first hand.

21+ years US Army Infantry, I can understand what you said. Yeah, deception is a tool to control people.

[R. Hartono]

11 hours ago, one.opinion said:

No, this is not evidence. This is just a vague claim with a doctor's name added for credibility. When making a strong and controversial claim, it is customary to provide facts and/or information (evidence) to support that claim. Here is an example.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-22446-z

The linked article shows a meta analysis of randomized control trials (eliminating bias in those conducting the research) to study the effectiveness of HCQ and CQ as COVID treatment. By meta analysis, this is a study of multiple studies - in this case, 28 studies involving over 10,000 patients. The authors of this study concluded "We found that treatment with hydroxychloroquine is associated with increased mortality in COVID-19 patients, and there is no benefit of chloroquine."

On the other hand, ivermectin does show more promise. More trials are needed, but another meta analysis of 15 trials covering over 2000 patients strongly suggests that ivermectin is effective, particularly early in COVID cases. "Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34145166/

Ivermectin is certainly worth further research for two major reasons. First, vaccines may not be available to poorer countries for many months still, possibly even a couple of years. Ivermectin could be critical in treating cases in these countries. Second, as the pandemic continues globally, more variants will arise that may not be as effectively treated by the current vaccines (some evidence of this already for the delta variant). Ivermectin could play a critical role there.

However, in the theme of backing up claims with evidence, I am unaware of any evidence showing that ivermectin is more effective or safer than the vaccines. There are inevitably risks of severe adverse conditions to any drug and ivermectin is no exception. People are clearly concerned about the safety of vaccines, as they should be. These are new vaccines and close scrutiny is warranted. However, bloggers or social media influencers that warn us about the dangers of vaccines have done virtually no research into the adverse effects of alternative drugs they propose.

Both Ivermectin and HCQ or CQ must always be taken with ZINC n Vit D.