"The Antichrist" Myth

[missmuffet]

On 8/17/2021 at 11:59 AM, WilliamL said:

“The Antichrist” Myth

The Antichrist – a term broadly used throughout the Church to describe a single man who will come to rule the whole world – is a myth based upon an old rumor.

This rumor has its first and only biblical reference in 1 John 1:18 –

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is a last hour; and as you have heard that Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is a last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us…

John never acknowledges any truth to this “as you have heard” rumor. Quite the contrary, John later provides a significantly different doctrine of antichrist:

1 John 2:22 Who is the liar but the one [i.e. each one: see 2:18 above] denying that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one denying the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either… 4:3 And every spirit that does not confess that Jesus has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the* [spirit] of the antichrist, that you have heard is coming, and now already it is in the world.   * The Greek article to = “the” is neuter, agreeing with pneuma/spirit.

So – John clearly defines the term antichrist to be a spiritual belief, being the doctrine of one powerful collective spirit. It is not, nor will be, a single man; rather, this belief had infested, and will infest, “many” spirits and men. The one-man The Antichrist doctrine is never taught by John, and only John uses the word antichrist. Therefore, the one-man The Antichrist doctrine is not biblical.

Excerpted from: https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/1150-the-antichrist-myth/

 

Their is a term referring the "antichrists" which is a broad term meaning those who do not believe in Christ. But there is an individual which will show up in the 7 year tribulation who is the actual Antichrist. If you do not believe in the Antichrist in the book of Revelation you should go back and ready it correctly. You are posting false teaching. 

[angels4u]

On 8/17/2021 at 3:59 PM, WilliamL said:

“The Antichrist” Myth

The Antichrist – a term broadly used throughout the Church to describe a single man who will come to rule the whole world – is a myth based upon an old rumor.

This rumor has its first and only biblical reference in 1 John 1:18 –

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is a last hour; and as you have heard that Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is a last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us…

John never acknowledges any truth to this “as you have heard” rumor. Quite the contrary, John later provides a significantly different doctrine of antichrist:

1 John 2:22 Who is the liar but the one [i.e. each one: see 2:18 above] denying that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one denying the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either… 4:3 And every spirit that does not confess that Jesus has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the* [spirit] of the antichrist, that you have heard is coming, and now already it is in the world.   * The Greek article to = “the” is neuter, agreeing with pneuma/spirit.

So – John clearly defines the term antichrist to be a spiritual belief, being the doctrine of one powerful collective spirit. It is not, nor will be, a single man; rather, this belief had infested, and will infest, “many” spirits and men. The one-man The Antichrist doctrine is never taught by John, and only John uses the word antichrist. Therefore, the one-man The Antichrist doctrine is not biblical.

Excerpted from: https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/1150-the-antichrist-myth/

 

Who do you think this is?

Revelation 13:16

“And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:”

[Michael37]

4 hours ago, angels4u said:

Who do you think this is?

Revelation 13:16

“And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:”

In the context given the mark is possibly a computor chip that connects people to an AI nexus which generates a holographic image.

Rev 13:11-18  Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon.  (12)  And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.  (13)  He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.  (14)  And he deceives those who dwell on the earth—by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived.  (15)  He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.  (16)  He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,  (17)  and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.  (18)  Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

Strongs G5480
χάραγμα
charagma
khar'-ag-mah
From the same as G5482; a scratch or etching, that is, stamp (as a badge of servitude), or sculptured figure (statue): - graven, mark.
Total KJV occurrences: 9

Strongs G5482
χάραξ
charax
khar'-ax
From “charasso” (to sharpen to a point; akin to G1125 through the idea of scratching); a stake, that is, (by implication) a palisade or rampart (millitary mound for circumvallation in a siege): - trench.
Total KJV occurrences: 1

[Diaste]

7 hours ago, Michael37 said:

In the context given the mark is possibly a computor chip that connects people to an AI nexus which generates a holographic image.

Rev 13:11-18  Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon.  (12)  And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.  (13)  He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.  (14)  And he deceives those who dwell on the earth—by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived.  (15)  He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.  (16)  He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,  (17)  and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.  (18)  Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

Strongs G5480
χάραγμα
charagma
khar'-ag-mah
From the same as G5482; a scratch or etching, that is, stamp (as a badge of servitude), or sculptured figure (statue): - graven, mark.
Total KJV occurrences: 9

Strongs G5482
χάραξ
charax
khar'-ax
From “charasso” (to sharpen to a point; akin to G1125 through the idea of scratching); a stake, that is, (by implication) a palisade or rampart (millitary mound for circumvallation in a siege): - trench.
Total KJV occurrences: 1

I'm convinced the mark will personally applied. It seems that the mark is simply the sign of allegiance and not the cause of, nor the oath of fealty, that is in the heart. But something must be a sign the person is loyal to the beast. Easiest is something worn like a head or wrist band much like the ISIS loyalists we saw on TV.

It would seem impossible logistically to implant chips in "all, both rich and poor and free and bond" in any reasonable amount of time. And if it could be done quickly the infrastructure would take up all of every countries resources.

If you have no water death comes in a week or less. If you cannot buy or sell sans the mark you cannot get water.[assuming this would apply to rent, mortgages and utilities] If people have to wait for the chip to be implanted there would be mass panic and death in one week. Now maybe that's the plan from the onset but I don't see this in scripture. Not that a lack of evidence proves it false but it cannot be proven true either.

This is why when the time comes I believe it to be personally applied. It could be tattooed crudely, permanent marker, branded, or simply worn. How quick and easy would that be to write on a piece of cloth the mark, or his name, or the number of his name and tie it on the head or the wrist?

Whole families would have this done inside an hour.

All the world could sport the mark the next day. Done and over with. This is quick and efficient with no loss of time or resource. Take a picture with your smart phone wearing the mark and send it to the bank, utilities, work, friends and family and you're good. Then they can all get to the business of making personal icons of the beast to prostrate themselves before.

I think we are seeing the willingness of the people all over the world to do this very thing manifested in the mask and the pressure of maskers directed at antimaskers.

It'll be the same mantra modified to the occasion; safety, protection, lifesaving, "Don't you care about Grandma?" 

So what would be the driving force behind the mark mandate compelling all the people of every social class to apply the mark? Scarcity of resources. The lack of food and water and the rationing of both.

I don't know this to be fact just a simple solution to a large problem. 

[Desopixi Seilynam]

 

It is clear from Deuteronomy 13:1-3 that God did forewarn about 1 single false prophet who would do actual signs and wonders and yet be false.

 

If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams,
and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder comes to pass
whereof he spake to you saying, Let us go after other gods...
you shall not hearken unto that prophet..
for the Lord God tests you to know whether you love the Lord your God.
Deuteronomy 13:1-3

Now, we beseech you brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,
and concerning our gathering together unto Him,
that you be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled,
neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us [1 Thess]
as that the day of Christ [2 Thess 1:7-10] had come.

Let no man deceive you by any means;
for that day shall not come until their be a falling away first,
and that man of sin [Deuteronomy 13:1-3] be revealed,
the son of perdition:
who oppose and exalts himself above all that is called God....
2 Thessalonians 2:1-12
 

I stood upon the sand of the sea and saw a beast rise out of the sea...
And I saw one of its heads as if it had been wounded to death,
and its deadly wound was healed, and all the world wondered after the beast

they that dwell on earth shall marvel, whose names are not in the book of life,
when they behold the beast that was and is not and yet is. Revelation 17:8

And I beheld another beast...
And he did great signs and wonders... [Deut 13:1-3]
And he made the world worship the first beast [Deut. 13:1-3]
Revelation 13:11-18.  The false prophet.

And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power,
and he shall destroy fearfully,
and shall prosper, and accomplish,
and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
And through his cunning he shall cause deceit to prosper in his hand...
he shall also stand against the Prince of princes;
but he shall be broken without human means.
Daniel 8:24-25

 

And the beast and false prophet were captured 
these both were thrown alive into a lake burning with fire and brimstone,
and the rest were slain with the sword of Him who sat upon the horse
which sword proceeded from His mouth, [Isaiah 30:31 + Micah 5:5] {Joel 2:11}
and all the birds were filled with their flesh.
Revelation 19:20-21

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It is clear from scripture that the beast and false prophet culminate as two actual people.

Edited August 25, 2021 by Desopixi Seilynam

[angels4u]

2 hours ago, Diaste said:

I'm convinced the mark will personally applied. It seems that the mark is simply the sign of allegiance and not the cause of, nor the oath of fealty, that is in the heart. But something must be a sign the person is loyal to the beast. Easiest is something worn like a head or wrist band much like the ISIS loyalists we saw on TV.

It would seem impossible logistically to implant chips in "all, both rich and poor and free and bond" in any reasonable amount of time. And if it could be done quickly the infrastructure would take up all of every countries resources.

If you have no water death comes in a week or less. If you cannot buy or sell sans the mark you cannot get water.[assuming this would apply to rent, mortgages and utilities] If people have to wait for the chip to be implanted there would be mass panic and death in one week. Now maybe that's the plan from the onset but I don't see this in scripture. Not that a lack of evidence proves it false but it cannot be proven true either.

This is why when the time comes I believe it to be personally applied. It could be tattooed crudely, permanent marker, branded, or simply worn. How quick and easy would that be to write on a piece of cloth the mark, or his name, or the number of his name and tie it on the head or the wrist?

Whole families would have this done inside an hour.

All the world could sport the mark the next day. Done and over with. This is quick and efficient with no loss of time or resource. Take a picture with your smart phone wearing the mark and send it to the bank, utilities, work, friends and family and you're good. Then they can all get to the business of making personal icons of the beast to prostrate themselves before.

I think we are seeing the willingness of the people all over the world to do this very thing manifested in the mask and the pressure of maskers directed at antimaskers.

It'll be the same mantra modified to the occasion; safety, protection, lifesaving, "Don't you care about Grandma?" 

So what would be the driving force behind the mark mandate compelling all the people of every social class to apply the mark? Scarcity of resources. The lack of food and water and the rationing of both.

I don't know this to be fact just a simple solution to a large problem. 

The mark will be applied in the middle of the Tribulation ,so there's time ,I believe all people who give their alliance to the AC will be marked with a sign on their forehand or hand . It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads Rev 13:16

[Diaste]

1 hour ago, angels4u said:

The mark will be applied in the middle of the Tribulation ,so there's time ,I believe all people who give their alliance to the AC will be marked with a sign on their forehand or hand . It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads Rev 13:16

Yes. I'm saying there is not enough time to have every single person on earth, except for the elect, to get the mark tattooed or implanted at some official Mark of the Beast tattoo parlor or clinic.

The logistics are impossible unless you had more than a decade. Even then....

[Starise]

1 hour ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

Let no man deceive you by any means;
for that day shall not come until their be a falling away first,
and that man of sin [Deuteronomy 13:1-3] be revealed,
the son of perdition:
who oppose and exalts himself above all that is called God....
2 Thessalonians 2:1-12

This ^^^^^^ Addressing the entire thread here-

While not expressly called anti-christ we can see that A. It is an INDIVIDUAL and B. Certainly has the SPIRIT of anti-christ.

There is the spirit of anti-christ, there are anti-christs and there will be INDIVIDUALS with world power who will IN THE FUTURE kill believers and cause the world to worship them.

The spirit of anti-christ in the past up until now in no way NEGATES the future prophesied evil work of the individual possessed with the spirit of anti christ.

Have various popes and others at times put themselves into a place that exalts itself above even God? 

Yes

Has this fulfilled the future predictions of the bible regarding the very end of times and events?

No

The BEAST and the FALSE prophet are both anti christs. They haven't done their thing yet. A beast is not human so some jump to a genetically modified being as an answer. Some jump to technology. I disagree with the premise that we can't 'mark' an entire population with a high tech chip fast. The machine Elon Musk now has can implant a chip in a few minutes. Is this how it will eventually go down? We don't know the answer to that one. People WILL be getting a mark though at some point in the future to buy and sell.

The people who get the mark will get sick at least for awhile. The people who refuse the mark will likely be killed or die from lack of food. In my opinion robots will with factory efficiency deal with those people. This takes the human element out of it. The folks you don't want around go in one door and don't come out. Robots will implant the chips and robots will deal with any rebellion or with minimal human involvement. People eat chicken but they don't like to see the places where the chicken is processed. Same thing here IMHO only on a human level ( think Nazi Germany). In 1940's German society either people weren't aware of exactly what was happening or the efficiency of the 'removal operations' kept everything sterile and out of the way. They reasoned is wasn't their families and it wasn't wise to ask too many questions.

[angels4u]

57 minutes ago, Starise said:

This ^^^^^^ Addressing the entire thread here-

While not expressly called anti-christ we can see that A. It is an INDIVIDUAL and B. Certainly has the SPIRIT of anti-christ.

There is the spirit of anti-christ, there are anti-christs and there will be INDIVIDUALS with world power who will IN THE FUTURE kill believers and cause the world to worship them.

The spirit of anti-christ in the past up until now in no way NEGATES the future prophesied evil work of the individual possessed with the spirit of anti christ.

Have various popes and others at times put themselves into a place that exalts itself above even God? 

Yes

Has this fulfilled the future predictions of the bible regarding the very end of times and events?

No

The BEAST and the FALSE prophet are both anti christs. They haven't done their thing yet. A beast is not human so some jump to a genetically modified being as an answer. Some jump to technology. I disagree with the premise that we can't 'mark' an entire population with a high tech chip fast. The machine Elon Musk now has can implant a chip in a few minutes. Is this how it will eventually go down? We don't know the answer to that one. People WILL be getting a mark though at some point in the future to buy and sell.

The people who get the mark will get sick at least for awhile. The people who refuse the mark will likely be killed or die from lack of food. In my opinion robots will with factory efficiency deal with those people. This takes the human element out of it. The folks you don't want around go in one door and don't come out. Robots will implant the chips and robots will deal with any rebellion or with minimal human involvement. People eat chicken but they don't like to see the places where the chicken is processed. Same thing here IMHO only on a human level ( think Nazi Germany). In 1940's German society either people weren't aware of exactly what was happening or the efficiency of the 'removal operations' kept everything sterile and out of the way. They reasoned is wasn't their families and it wasn't wise to ask too many questions.

I do agree with you ,the chip can easy be implanted in a short time ,they have the technology and don't forget at that time  its not some AC ruling ,it will be the  devil himself.

[Michael37]

5 hours ago, angels4u said:

 its not some AC ruling ,it will be the  devil himself.

More of the same . . .

2Th 2:7  For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work;

Electro Magnetic Field & Speed Of Light [EMF & SOL]

The electromagnetic field propagates at the speed of light (in fact, this field can be identified as light) and interacts with charges and currents.

Trouble for the marked, chipped, followers of the false prophet connected to the AI nexus tyrannising the world.

Rev 16:1-2  Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, "Go and pour out the bowls of the wrath of God on the earth."  (2)  So the first went and poured out his bowl upon the earth, and a foul and loathsome sore came upon the men who had the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image.