God did not teach us these things

[Starise]

47 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

I'd like to dovetail on your post and add: Every ancient civilization "globally" had the same 'myths' and same gods, called by different names by their language and culture. How do the same myths and beliefs of Titans and demi-gods thrive through the centuries throughout the world? The Mesopotamian myths, the Epic of Gilgamesh and so on. They were glamorized and perverted from historical facts and supernatural beings [Gen. 6:1-4].

A number of secular historians' comment on what was believed in their day and prior to that; Herodotus [the father of history], secular Jewish historian Josephus; even Peter and Jude quote and refer to the book of Enoch [2nd century B.C.]. Literate Hebrews and Jews read and believed other things also. 

It is highly improbable mortal man could quarry hundreds of 100-300-ton rocks, then transport them multiple miles uphill on skids or rollers; much less fit them with such precision, and hoist them with any sort of wooden crane, levers and pully system. 

It makes much more sense fallen angel technology was used. If giants were on the earth in those days, and after that; in strength and endurance, how many men would it take to equal the strength of just one giant? 

If one question could be answered with certainty and with little controversy. Do the Great Pyramids and megalithic structures predate Noah's flood? I think that would resolve that question. Could those structures have withstood the violent force of the deluge, earthquakes and continental splits? 

Archology has unearthed 18-pound hammers and tools that ordinary humans could not possibly use in construction. They claim they had to be ceremonial or symbolic, not for use. Those same people believe we evolved from star dust and pond scum. 

Proverbs 25:2 (KJV) It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter. Revelation 1:6 (KJV) And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. Acts 17:11 (KJV) These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Perhaps I'm cherry picking and taking these scriptures out of context?

I appreciate you adding to these thoughts Dennis and others. Yes I could dig up story after story of similar findings. Giants and titans are no historical myth. These structures were sometimes carved out of solid rock. Sometimes structures were made of huge odd fitting blocks,almost as if to say, " There ya see, can you fit thousand of blocks together that in no way resemble one another and fit so tightly no mortar was needed?"Today and even then men would have built a brick making machine and mass produced identical blocks. Very odd shaped blocks described by many experts as having been joined using intense heat or a melting process at the seams. Not to mention the weight and transport of these blocks.

Much ancient art including both Sumerian and Egyptian often depicts a larger being as a king. A giant. 

Edited September 4, 2021 by Starise

[Kelly2363]

7 minutes ago, Starise said:

You seem to have quite missed the whole point my friend. I realize now I likely approached my response to you in the same spirit it was sent to me which I confess was not the right thing to do HOWEVER all methods of explanation aside, I don't see how you can ignore history. Neither can I see why you continue to the 1 Enoch as evil or a gateway to the occult. You must have a good reason for your opinion?

Even if we could nullify Enoch 1 as a canonical book. I don't see occult gateways in it?

 

Perhaps you should read what is said and not tell a former occult theosophic priest what the occult is. 

I have emboldened your words and all I can say to you now is to read what is being said in this OP because you are missing the most basic reality of all.

In Just the very post before your own - where I am called a fool - the author tells us, "This book is informative and gives much information on the spiritual realm that our Bibles allude to without details. But it also refers to the coming judgements and wrath of God upon this wicked world in our last days."

You would imagine that the Book of Revelation of Jesus Christ had not been written and left unsealed for our learning and correction. 

[Kelly2363]

Seeing as my comments cause so much consternation and seeing that I am set into the frame of a foolish person and a contentious man - then as my last post I will post an few paragraphs from an introduction to a book that I wrote to explain the effects that are now upon us and which we can all see about us - yet which we are seemingly powerless to restrain or answer. 

 

Many believers speculate how it is that Satan, though he knows the Scripture well enough, is yet unable to desist from his self-evident destructive course. What we miss, is that Satan was cast down from the sides of the north in Heaven aeons ago when he first desired to be like God. Everything that follows that singular act of pride has to do with God’s own remedy for disarming him in a just and righteous way. Adam was the beginning of that as far as men are concerned, in that he was in the likeness of Him who was to come. That Adam sinned, changed nothing of that ambition of God. It served to reveal the promised seed, being Christ Himself, by whom the Father has reconciled all things in heaven and on the earth to Himself, through the Cross. Today, Satan, along with principalities and powers of wickedness in high places are disarmed, and those who have Christ are over them in Him according to Christ Himself.

I care nothing for discussion and endless speculation about end time events. I regard them to be a vanity. All such speculations produce nothing for believers. Indeed it could be argued that eschatological doctrines have done as much to harm the flocks as any other heretical determination has done. It could be claimed that many believers are deluded into thinking that end time knowledge is an evidence of being spiritually minded, and therefore, there is no immediate reason to be concerned - even when it is self-evident that we may be living selfish lives with little or no fruit of the Spirit. By making the signs of the times a focus we have missed our own conduct.

This is not a judgmental attitude on my part. My concern is one given by the Father on the day I believed and, therefore, has been moderated by the love of the Father into always seeking to know where mercy triumphs over judgement. In that mind, I am against the prophets. No other group has done more to harm the church than have the prophets. Moreover, the Lord Himself has a remedy for these things, and it is in His remedy that my hope resides, by faith. That does not include laying waste to believers in a spirit of condemnation. It will mean standing against those who call themselves prophets. Or else whether they call themselves prophets or not, who nevertheless seek to direct the household of God in a mind of prophecy.

Unfortunately, there is a very real difficulty for anyone desiring to grasp why the prophetic ministry is so vulnerable to deception. As a former occult theosopher my own insights only serve as a benefit when I set those things alongside my own calling. It is only then that the often seeming bizarre activities of those ministries claiming to be prophetic, can be set in balance. The difference between a natural prophet and a sorcerer is the difference between anointing.

This book is intended to draw that concern out into the open. It could be expressed as a concern for apostasy. This work is finished and covers three decades of testing and enquiry. Whether it produces an outcome in keeping with my own hope is not something I can enter into. Now completed I will walk away without turning back. This is not in a poor spirit, but simply because to do otherwise would be to direct its meaning rather than trusting in the Lord. Again, I have no view of its possible effect beyond what the Lord has shown me in hope, by seeking His face. I do know that others share my concerns, but I also believe that my concerns extend beyond the fact of the present deception. In fact I take the view that apostasy of the church has not yet happened. Further, that real apostasy at the end of this age is more perverse and diabolical than anyone can easily lay hold of. It is that full and irredeemable apostasy of the church, that concerns myself. The times we live in will present the separation necessary for judgement to begin in the Household of God. When that separation is made, then I will stand. I am and will remain, against the prophets.

Edited September 6, 2021 by Kelly2363
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[Dennis1209]

29 minutes ago, Kelly2363 said:

 

Perhaps you should read what is said and not tell a former occult theosophic priest what the occult is. 

I have emboldened your words and all I can say to you now is to read what is being said in this OP because you are missing the most basic reality of all.

In Just the very post before your own - where I am called a fool - the author tells us, "This book is informative and gives much information on the spiritual realm that our Bibles allude to without details. But it also refers to the coming judgements and wrath of God upon this wicked world in our last days."

You would imagine that the Book of Revelation of Jesus Christ had not been written and left unsealed for our learning and correction. 

Evening there Kelly,

We're all aware I Enoch and other pseudepigrapha is not part of our closed Canon. Our Bible is our sole source of truth and history, period. It's already been mentioned, that Peter and Jude either quote or refer to I Enoch, for what reason?

Literate Jews in the second Temple period read other things, they knew and read the book of I Enoch, and the apostles gave comparisons to what they already knew and understood, comparing and directing them to the word of God. 

I'm sure you're familiar with the Essenes and Dead Sea Scrolls, whom got it right. Many scholars believe or suspect, John the Baptist himself was a member of that sect. All in all, the Dead Sea Scrolls mirror our Bible, and have even filled in some of the italics in our Bibles, and some Bible translations have even been updated from the scrolls.

There's not much doubt the book of I Enoch [a pseudonym, and not to be confused with the other two] was written in the inner testament period, most likely 100-200 B.C. Portions of I Enoch were found in the Dead Sea scrolls. 

Part of understanding the Bible, is to understand what God's chosen people understood, knew, taught and believed; and their history of oral tradition and events. 

Jesus was a Jew, the Bible was mostly written by Jews, it was preserved by Jews. The Essenes [Jews] hid and preserved the inspired copies of scripture in the Dead Sea scrolls. Which also included the book of I Enoch.

That's my take anyway.

[David1701]

Some posts in this thread are quite disturbing (no names).  We should all remember the following.

1 Tim. 1:3,4 (Webster)

 3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,
  4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do .

2 Tim. 4:2-4 (Webster)

2 Preach the word; be diligent in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
  3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap up to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
  4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned to fables.

Titus 1:14 (Webster) Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

2 Pet. 1:16 (Webster) For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

We should not be paying attention to stories about 450 foot tall giants and other such nonsense.  If it's not in the Bible, it's not inspired - end of story.

[LearningToLetGo]

I think there is confusion regarding inspired writings. Given 1st Enoch is not inspired, does that mean it cannot even partly be true? And if it can be true, if only in some small way, does that not make it worthy of discussion?

[Hopefully]

4 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

I also believe the celestial bodies told a biblical story, that was corrupted and perverted by the fallen Watchers. 

Thanks for sharing I enjoyed reading that.

[Hopefully]

1 hour ago, David1701 said:

We should not be paying attention to stories about 450 foot tall giants and other such nonsense.  If it's not in the Bible, it's not inspired - end of story.

Giant’s are in the Bible. 

[Waggles]

Genesis 6:  [ESV]

1When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, 2the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose. 3Then the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.” 4The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.

2Peter 2:4  For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; 
5  if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; 

Jude 1:5  Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. 
6  And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day— 

Edited September 5, 2021 by Waggles

[Waggles]

Gensis 5:18  When Jared had lived 162 years, he fathered Enoch. 
19  Jared lived after he fathered Enoch 800 years and had other sons and daughters. 
20  Thus all the days of Jared were 962 years, and he died. 
21  When Enoch had lived 65 years, he fathered Methuselah. 
22  Enoch walked with God after he fathered Methuselah 300 years and had other sons and daughters. 
23  Thus all the days of Enoch were 365 years. 
24  Enoch walked with God, and he was not, for God took him.