What part of what this graph says don't you understand?

[WilliamL]

https://uafreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/vaers-deaths-1024x475.jpg

 

Edited September 15, 2021 by WilliamL

[Starise]

What's not to understand? COVID came and lots of people got sick and died.

[other one]

58 minutes ago, Starise said:

What's not to understand? COVID came and lots of people got sick and died.

Agreeing with you,    But concerning the OP, using VAERS we don't know officially why these people died.   Another question of why so many people decided to report deaths. Using things other than VAERS:

 

 

 

We have over two million people a year die here in the USA and in 2020 before the vaccine the deaths went up over a half million.   And VAERS shows a drop in reported deaths...   then the news brings focus to things and if someone dies after a vaccine they report it....    but that report does not report the actual cause of death....      we have nearly 3 million people a year die   There's a pretty good chance that a few of those might happen just after a vaccination considering the number of people vaccinated this year.    total death figures for 2021 are not available yet, but I would not expect they change all that much.     The differences between VAERS reporting and reality is nowhere near close enough to use it for any decisions on anything.    Yes, deaths are seriously  under reported on VAERS until the media makes a huge issue out of it and a group with an agenda gets involved.

And who suffers in the long run......     deaths for 2020 rose over a half million that year.  That's before the vaccine and after Covid infections broke out.   So who's dying from Covid now?

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See the Data on Breakthrough Covid Hospitalizations and Deaths by State

By The New York TimesAug. 10, 2021

Serious coronavirus infections among vaccinated people have been relatively rare since the start of the vaccination campaign, a New York Times analysis of data from 40 states and Washington, D.C., shows. Fully vaccinated people have made up as few as 0.1 percent of and as many as 5 percent of those hospitalized with the virus in those states, and as few as 0.2 percent and as many as 6 percent of those who have died.

 

[Starise]

1 hour ago, other one said:

The differences between VAERS reporting and reality is nowhere near close enough to use it for any decisions on anything. 

I agree, record keeping depends 100% on the record keepers. When COVID entered the stream of people who were already dying or would die regardless it complicates the true numbers. The hospitals in the US had financial incentive to report deaths as COVID. Pneumonia could be reported as COVID, or anything else they could get away with. People brought in those who suddenly died. No need to determine the issue. It was COVID. This happened a lot due to those incentives.

In many cases it WAS COVID. In many cases it wasn't. Which leaves us with a useless bunch of numbers unless we want to calculate a + or - accuracy number if we wanted to attempt to get some validity to those graphs. It's better than playing the lottery but not by much.

One thing we can be sure of, many people died from COVID because they tested positive for it and showed all of the symptoms for it.

Where things begin to get complicated are in looking at the vaccine and the success of it. If you got the vaccine and were already at the later stages of infection the outcome might be different than a person who got the vaccine before they were infected. If you were already infected unawares ( like I think I was) and got the vaccine after that, then later caught a variant I think you would be better off. Probably too many variables to discuss in a forum in any detail and make sense of all of it. I have never held the belief the vaccine makes anyone worse off. None of us are invincible and people who get flu shots and this vaccine still get sick because it isn't a perfect fix. Nothing is.

Probably the most important idea that I think should be out across, at least to the Christian community of which I am a part, is that the vaccine isn't a MARK it's a VACCINE.

[other one]

49 minutes ago, Starise said:

I agree, record keeping depends 100% on the record keepers. When COVID entered the stream of people who were already dying or would die regardless it complicates the true numbers. The hospitals in the US had financial incentive to report deaths as COVID. Pneumonia could be reported as COVID, or anything else they could get away with. People brought in those who suddenly died. No need to determine the issue. It was COVID. This happened a lot due to those incentives.

While I read those same things I also know that it is illegal and a special kind of fraud.   I personally do not think that was near the problem people reported it to be.   Doctors could/would loose their licenses over doing that.  Here the covid numbers were updated daily to match death certificates.

My acquaintances both in the hospitals and those in our local department of health tell me that at least in Oklahoma, that did not happen to any extent.   I happen to agree with them at least here in Oklahoma.

 

And the total number of deaths in the USA went from a three year average of 2.8 million to 3.4 million in 2020 and that large rise is about the number of Covid Deaths reported.   I can't think of anything except Covid that would have caused such a rise in deaths.

[Starise]

21 minutes ago, other one said:

While I read those same things I also know that it is illegal and a special kind of fraud.   I personally do not think that was near the problem people reported it to be.   Doctors could/would loose their licenses over doing that.  Here the covid numbers were updated daily to match death certificates.

My acquaintances both in the hospitals and those in our local department of health tell me that at least in Oklahoma, that did not happen to any extent.   I happen to agree with them at least here in Oklahoma.

 

And the total number of deaths in the USA went from a three year average of 2.8 million to 3.4 million in 2020 and that large rise is about the number of Covid Deaths reported.   I can't think of anything except Covid that would have caused such a rise in deaths.

You are probably correct there, but I know it did happen because I have heard stories of people who showed up at a hospital and were asked if they wanted to report it as COVID when it really wasn't because if they didn't they would be liable for the expenses. I definitely think the majority of it was COVID but I also think it was taken advantage of. When you have hundreds of people dying and sick at the same time I think it's easier to get away with it. This has been lucrative for many hospitals I think. For those who don't know, hospitals in the US are for profit businesses. Those lines were probably blurred with the government kicking in so much money for COVID on a per patient payout to them. This was almost like the government hiring out the hospitals. Any time you have the government paying out huge sums of money with minimal oversight you have potential for a racket. If I am remembering correctly it was something like 30 grand a patient.Might have been more. I say was. I think they probably still are doing it. If a person dies non Covid they are at the mercy of the insurance company and/or the patient. COVID is sure money.

In larger cities I think it was more rampant. A drug addict dies, is reported as COVID death and no one checks to be sure. If they report it honestly its a loss. If they report COVID it's at least 30 grand.

This leads me to believe that even though the numbers are necessarily high because of COVID we can probably scrape some off of the top to make it more accurate. If I were a betting man I would venture to say at least 10-20%. Some hospitals that were barely making it are all of a sudden in the green.

[other one]

Hospital admissions is one thing, but death certificates are a whole other thing.

[Faith-Not-Fear]

WilliamL, great post. My first thought was 'enough said'. But those without faith or morals will always be critical, ever arguing for the 'vaccine' that is not a true vaccine like previous ones. 

Respected and world renown virologists (any one of which is more intelligent than all of us on this page combined) have tried to explain how the current covid 'vaccine' is creating the variants.

Maybe a graph showing the more vaccines that are given, the more covid infections (like Israel) and the more variants we have would help them. But no, maybe 2 Cor 4:4 applies to them.

Last thought, how many know these vaccines (and others) are developed or tested by using cells grown from aborted baby parts? Anyone feeling that this is unimportant has some very serious, sick, demonic views of keeping "healthy". I would rather die of covid. Are you so scared of dying because you are afraid of God's judgment?

[WilliamL]

On 9/16/2021 at 6:41 AM, Starise said:

What's not to understand? COVID came and lots of people got sick and died.

...from the vaccines. That is what the graph reveals. All obfuscation notwithstanding.

On 9/16/2021 at 8:36 AM, Starise said:

Probably the most important idea that I think should be out across, at least to the Christian community of which I am a part, is that the vaccine isn't a MARK it's a VACCINE.

It is neither the mark nor a vaccine. At least, it isn't a vaccine under the old definition of the word. So the CDC decided to change that definition, and the Merriam-Webster Dictionary thereafter changed its definition too. Anything goes in order to promote THE AGENDA. (Including some of the above posts.)

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=changes+to+the+meaning+of+vaccine&t=newext&atb=v273-1&ia=web

Edited September 20, 2021 by WilliamL

[Starise]

17 hours ago, WilliamL said:

...from the vaccines. That is what the graph reveals. All obfuscation notwithstanding.

I know there is a valid point to be made on the connection between some with health issues related to the vaccine.I am personally not trying to obfuscate as much as I am trying to show the entire picture as it really is. No matter where the chips may fall I want the truth. A LOT of the chips fall in favor of  government cover up of a pre planned event. Part of that plan included certain men getting very wealthy off of this. Men who were already very wealthy to begin with. While I don't think the primary agenda of the hidden plan was for these men to get wealthy, being the opportunists they are, they took full advantage of the situation. The primary agenda isn't fully known, but it looks to be pushing the world into a very government controlled future.

So I don't blame anyone who believes the above for digging in and saying they will have no parts of it. One way of saying it would be they "buttered us up", got us all prepared for the next step whatever that is.

I tend to see it a little differently. Forget all of the stuff that led up to this. Is the vaccine effective? If you won't admit any effectiveness then there's nothing else to discuss. OTOH, if you believe it is even partially effective while also believing the good outweighs the bad so far as I believe, then the solution means I might live a few more years. I might be saved from being in a hospital on a ventilator or even worse, my life might be cut short due to COVID as it has for so many others. Many many people died before the vaccine during the time you quote on the graph. Many of them were never vaccinated. We have millions of people who were supposedly vaccinated. Most of these people are doing just fine. Many of us are here on Worthy. To me thus far this is a virus however you choose to see it came about. There is a vaccine for it that while not perfect works pretty well according to all of my sources.

The agenda behind all of this hasn't come out in full sunlight yet but I think we can see the direction things are tending to go in.

If this agenda eventually leads us to a place where we need to make a choice between our God and our beliefs over the government. I'll be right there beside you on the bus to the prison or the guillotine station. If it came to that I would do everything I could to stop it. I might try to run or hide. I would do a lot of praying. Ultimately though I will give my life rather than follow another god. 

We aren't there yet. Not even close. 

17 hours ago, WilliamL said:

It is neither the mark nor a vaccine. At least, it isn't a vaccine under the old definition of the word. So the CDC decided to change that definition, and the Merriam-Webster Dictionary thereafter changed its definition too. Anything goes in order to promote THE AGENDA. (Including some of the above posts.)

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=changes+to+the+meaning+of+vaccine&t=newext&atb=v273-1&ia=web

This is technically true if we go by those strict definitions. I see it much the same way as the differences between a petrol car and an electric car. They are both cars but the way they operate is worlds apart. It would have probably taken more time to explain the differences to the general public than to simply call it a 'vaccine'. The new tech in these shots is just as effective as the old tech and maybe more effective. They are working on other cures suing the same tech for cancer and other things. I don't see the tech itself as evil. I see those who misuse and abuse it as evil.